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Originally posted by XanthosNZEnlighten me on engine analysis. Do you disagree that engines move differently with different settings and on different speed computers?
Well done on combining a cheating accusation with a demonstration of how you don't know the first thing about engine analysis.
Originally posted by BowmannI thought the guy was some kind of an engine user?
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In this game he plays like a patzer.
Originally posted by XanthosNZI know that the same man who played under the name Ironman31 at this site is, according to somebody I trust, a fantastic chess player with a photographic memory who analyses his games in great detail before moving. I see no reason such a person would need to cheat.
You said quite clearly, "But we do make mistakes.". Now if you were just meaning people in general fine but I read that as the system has made mistakes and wondered if you knew something the rest of us didn't.
But if the system said he did then I have no problem with him being booted out, other than it leaves me pondering over my answer to the above.
As far as the specifics of your question go, I have no knowledge of the system here so am in no position to comment on its reliability directly. I am sure it is a very good system.
Originally posted by BridgePlayerVery interesting idea.
And also, do the players who get removed have a chance to defend themselves, maybe with a game played via web cam or something or are they just removed and forgotten?
I don't know the whole Ironman31 story, other than his previous clan, Notte in Bianco disbanded when he was kicked off. OK, that doesn't prove anything, but there were people in that clan who'd seen him play in real life, who were left confused by the decision.
Although I may be doing a good impression, I do not speak for Ironman31 and have no preference as to his reinstatement. My position is simply that I believe him to be as good as player as his rating suggested and do not understand why he would cheat. And, perhaps ironically, I believe that RHP made the right decision because of the information they had to go on.
Originally posted by asromacalcioI know what you mean. I think something like that would be a good idea but the problem with it would be what if players who are booted prove they are playing without help. Better to have a possibly flawed system and not give a chance for anyone to see otherwise than have people booted and then allowed to come back after they show they weren't cheating. If that happened then someone could say it was a joke otherwise you can't say that at all.
Very interesting idea.
I don't know the whole Ironman31 story, other than his previous clan, Notte in Bianco disbanded when he was kicked off. OK, that doesn't prove anything, but there were people in that clan who'd seen him play in real life, who were left confused by the decision.
Although I may be doing a good impression, I do not speak for Ir ...[text shortened]... lly, I believe that RHP made the right decision because of the information they had to go on.
Originally posted by BridgePlayerThere has to be a system, with zero tolerance of cheating at the centre of it. Whether there will be any changes to the one we have now in future is a matter for RHP, likewise if they ever consider the possibility of reinstating players. I for one would be uncomfortable with this if I owned the site as it would throw into question the credibility of the site.
I know what you mean. I think something like that would be a good idea but the problem with it would be what if players who are booted prove they are playing without help. Better to have a possibly flawed system and not give a chance for anyone to see otherwise than have people booted and then allowed to come back after they show they weren't cheating. If that happened then someone could say it was a joke otherwise you can't say that at all.
But I still say Ironman31 is as good as his RHP rating in real life.
Originally posted by asromacalcioYeah, you can never reinstate players, it just wouldn't look good at all. Whatever decisions are made whether incorrect or not, the site has to stick with them.
There has to be a system, with zero tolerance of cheating at the centre of it. Whether there will be any changes to the one we have now in future is a matter for RHP, likewise if they ever consider the possibility of reinstating players. I for one would be uncomfortable with this if I owned the site as it would throw into question the credibility of the site.
But I still say Ironman31 is as good as his RHP rating in real life.
Originally posted by BridgePlayerYes play level differs however the telltale signs remain. Let's take Mary Ann as an example as (s)he's been brought up in this thread already.
Enlighten me on engine analysis. Do you disagree that engines move differently with different settings and on different speed computers?
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Here's an example where Mary Ann resigned in a drawn position. The win is outside of an engine's search depth and if you don't have tablebases installed it'll tell you the game is lost. This is one example of the horizon effect.
Now any 2000 player can tell you this endgame is drawn as can any endgame book you care to name. So why would a good player resign in such a situation?
Another example?
How about Game 1441869 from Checkmate187 this time. It should be known that during this game he matches up with Fritz8's top choice every move after the opening. Why would a 2100 player force a draw against a 1700 player in the opening? Well Checkmate's excuse was that he didn't like his doubled pawns. The doubled pawns he guaranteed himself on move 1. Sound a little fishy?