My apologies guys and gals. My reply was in jest. I really think the stars and bars are a beautiful flag and represent bravery and courage. I do not refer to the political/social confederacy. And yes, the plantation society was quite the gentlemanly affair, and most of the war partiscipants were simply answering the call to arms as all patriotic members of a society should. Again, my reply was meant as an attempt at humor. not a political discussion.
Originally posted by slappy115this was never and should never have developed into a social/political discussion, I underestimated the latent sentiment of the citizens of the united states of america, hey at least you guys are citizens we are subjects, anyhow, my friend who lived in Baltimore says that the black guys call each other the N word, but a white guy cannot call a black guy the N word, black guys call white guys 'crackers', i dunno what white guys call each other. Anyhow he went on a trip down south, the further south he went the more polite people became, until he hit Miami when everything became confused, its not a north or south thing, its those funny talking Bostonians that are to blame, if they hadn't chucked all that tea into the sea and resisted their British overlords and protectors none of this would have happened, come back to us America, you sons of dissidence, we will forgive you, chuck out those renegade Bostonians who will charge you fifteen dollars for a burger and we will take you back, long live King George!
It's kind of funny. I went down south for spring break. In Mississippi, black people step out of my way when I walked into a store. In Alabama, I held a door for black man in his fifties and he told me to go to first, sir.
It is so much different than up north where, at least I, treat people equally.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie Carrobie, in HMS would you be kind enough to address three pertinent historical dimensions which bear on your now controversial thread...
this was never and should never have developed into a social/political discussion, I underestimated the latent sentiment of the citizens of the united states of america, hey at least you guys are citizens we are subjects, anyhow, my friend who lived in Baltimore says that the black guys call each other the N word, but a white guy cannot call a black ill charge you fifteen dollars for a burger and we will take you back, long live King George!
freedom from oppresion (subjects), taxation without representation (colonists) and the inscrutable yet undeniable principle of 'manifest destiny'?
Thanks,
Boston Lad
🙂
Edit: Also, Robbie, once and for all was your self declared motive "tongue in cheek" or not?
Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666Please define "gentleman".
the plantation society was quite the gentlemanly affair
If it's your romanticized vision of some dandy in a straw hat and a seersucker suit, sitting on the front porch of his mansion drinking mint juleps while the people he "owns" do all the work...I think I'll pass. 😕
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbymmm please let me do some research first then i will be able to answer such important and pertinent questions, i entered this forum in full innocence of the obviously latent but deep sentiments of the individuals herein, what type of guy would seriously try to recolonize America, although in retrospect the scheme does have some merits, if i can be Governor of those miscreant Bostonians Ill consider your offer -regards Robert.
Robbie Carrobie, in HMS would you be kind enough to address three pertinent historical dimensions which bear on your now controversial thread...
freedom from oppresion (subjects), taxation without representation (colonists) and the inscrutable yet undeniable principle of 'manifest destiny'?
Thanks,
Boston Lad
🙂
Edit: Also, Robbie, once and for all was your self declared motive "tongue in cheek" or not?
these noble ideals must of course be viewed in there present day context, because we are of course talking about the recolonizing of America due to its deviation from these elevated principles which its founding fathers fought so hard to establish. the first noble ideal, freedom from oppression, America of course must confront its own back yard in this regard, I will not go into detail as I have no intention of offending anyone, are you taxed more or less now than when the British taxed the colonists at 3%, yes you are allowed to vote, however do you have anymore representation now than you did under the British, do you not vote for delegates, which may or may not vote on your behalf in primary elections for candidates in presidential elections, the huge sums of money involved almost inevitably precludes any ordinary citizen from becoming president, is this democratic representation in any real sense? seems to me you are simply in the same state with which the British left having a kind of virtual representation. This ideal of manifest destiny, the belief that American culture, morals, values etc should be exported has led to incredible anti American sentiment through out not only the east but has penetrated as far as northern Europe most notably Sweden. Would the founding fathers think that their lofty principles with which they fought so bravely to obtain are still being upheld? ill take that Boston job if its still on offer.