This is really weird. Why, again do we have a TOS? Does it not make it fairly clear that cheating is in violation of the TOS and that it will result in the deletion of the cheaters account? Back in the "Time of the troubles" (Cribs etc etc), a player got banned without having violated the TOS, specifically. Now we have an instance where people are admitting to violationg the TOS and nothing happens!! WTF?
Honestly, I do not want SirLose to be forced to leave. However, the violation of the TOS cannot be denied, yet nothing happens. Perhaps it would just be better to shorten the TOS to the following:
"The admins and moderators reserve the right to do whatever the heck they want to you or anyone else on the site. Some people will be banned for the same things that other do habitually without consequences, learn to live with it."
This is clearly what is happening now anyway, why not just be up front about it? I do not deny the admins the right to treat people however they choose, and in large part, they do a very good job. However, let's not pretend we have hard and fast rules when we clearly do not.
TheSkipper
Originally posted by TheSkipperI have no idea what Russ is going to do... Do you?
This is really weird. Why, again do we have a TOS? Does it not make it fairly clear that cheating is in violation of the TOS and that it will result in the deletion of the cheaters account? Back in the "Time of the troubles" (Cribs etc etc), a player got banned without having violated the TOS, specifically. Now we have an instance where people are admit ...[text shortened]... b. However, let's not pretend we have hard and fast rules when we clearly do not.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitNo, I do not. However, if one reads the TOS there should be no question as to what he is going to do. In fact, it probably should already have been done.
I have no idea what Russ is going to do... Do you?
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Having said that, I hope the TOS is NOT followed in this case because I happen to like SLAL and enjoy his posts. This may be easy for me to say, however, as I have never played against him. 🙂
Maybe if you confess publically, your chess playing privlidges would be revoked. You can still post in the forums and be a part of the community, but since you do not understand the spirit of the great sport of chess you are not allowed to play. Maybe in certain circumstances a temporary stay of chess playing can be implemented. I don't know.
My main point, however, still stands. Either the TOS is an enforceable document or it needs to be changed to reflect the desire of the admins.
TheSkipper
Originally posted by TheSkipperI get your point, but the problem is this: You can, of course, ban slal, but that still doesn't solve the problem of other people cheating. I think it would be a shame to force slal to leave the site when he seems to be much better company than JW for example, who will, in my opinion, never be kicked off the site as nobody can really prove it. I agree this is no valid reason to let all people who confess to stay on rhp, but I think it would be just as unfair to force individuals who are courageous enough to confess to leave the site without any chance of being forgiven...
This is really weird. Why, again do we have a TOS? Does it not make it fairly clear that cheating is in violation of the TOS and that it will result in the deletion of the cheaters account? Back in the "Time of the troubles" (Cribs etc ...[text shortened]... we have hard and fast rules when we clearly do not.
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Edit: I like slal too 😀
SirloseAlot sponsered someone on this site a while ago who turned out to Zach
"That's the consequence of his actions.But does that mean I won't talk to or play him anymore?Nooooo!Why wouldn't I?If people would cast me out for every stupid action I ever made,I would be very lonely.Maybe in time I will trust him again.Not likely,but possible.
No ban,no punishment.Let's put this behind us and get on with things.Ok? "
Iv cut and paste what he said when he found out.
He knew when he came out that people would be mad and that he would lose your faith and trust, but at least he felt the need to come out, and be honest with you all. If it wasnt for him coming out none of you would have ever known he used an engine in some games so there was no pressure for him to make that post, yet he still layed his soul bare.
While using the engine wasnt honourable, his post was. I for one shall keep talking to him and keep playing. Forgive and forget :-)
Originally posted by TheSkipperRemember SLAL is one of my best friends here at the site... So I am way biased... but here is what I hope.
No, I do not. However, if one reads the TOS there should be no question as to what he is going to do. In fact, it probably should already have been done.
Having said that, I hope the TOS is NOT followed in this case because I happen to like SLAL and enjoy his posts. This may be easy for me to say, however, as I have never played against him. 🙂
Mayb ...[text shortened]... nforceable document or it needs to be changed to reflect the desire of the admins.
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RHP is in a transition now from not enforcing to enforcing the cheat checks. Now is the time to admit and change your ways....
If we kill everyone who comes forward, no one will come forward. They will keep their mouths shut and hope for the best. Just waiting for someone to finally find them out.
I hope more people will come forward, and change their ways. That is what I see SLAL trying to do.
That is just what I hope... I can't see anyone else coming forward to fess up if everyone here is just going to chuck them under the bus.
So, I don't know what Russ plans to do... and we are free to say what ever we like when someone comes forward... but the tougher we are on them, the fewer who will come forward.
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Originally posted by TheSkipperPeople like JW should be banned. SirloseAlot used an engine against other cheaters, he then came out and admited it. JW on the other hand uses an engine against everyone he meets maybe with the exception of Exy :-) JW wont admit it, even though everyone already knows. Common sense should rule at the end of the day. I really like SirLoseAlot, which isnt why im defending him. Im just saying fair enough hes admited it, dont pile on the verbal abuse now.
No, I do not. However, if one reads the TOS there should be no question as to what he is going to do. In fact, it probably should already have been done.
Having said that, I hope the TOS is NOT followed in this case because I happen t ...[text shortened]... s to be changed to reflect the desire of the admins.
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Id bit*h at people who were having a go at JW if he came out and admited to be cheating. Its not a crusade to hurt the person, just to reduce cheating.
Originally posted by PhlabibitI agree.
That is just what I hope... I can't see anyone else coming forward to fess up if everyone here is just going to chuck them under the bus.
So, I don't know what Russ plans to do... and we are free to say what ever we like when someone comes forward... but the tougher we are on them, the fewer who will come forward.
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Originally posted by TheSkipperThe TOS does NOT make it clear that the use of engines, or any other violation of the TOS, is grounds for automatic dismissal. Here's exactly what it says regarding deletion of accounts for TOS violations:
This is really weird. Why, again do we have a TOS? Does it not make it fairly clear that cheating is in violation of the TOS and that it will result in the deletion of the cheaters account? Back in the "Time of the troubles" (Cribs etc etc), a player got banned without having violated the TOS, specifically. Now we have an instance where people are admit ...[text shortened]... b. However, let's not pretend we have hard and fast rules when we clearly do not.
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13. TERMINATION
You agree that RHP may, under certain circumstances and without prior notice, immediately terminate your RHP account,and access to the Service. Cause for such termination shall include, but not be limited to, (a) breaches or violations of the TOS or other incorporated agreements or guidelines, ...................... Further, you agree that all terminations for cause shall be made in RHP's sole discretion and that RHP shall not be liable to you or any third-party for any termination of your account, any associated email address, or access to the Service.
I don't know enough about Sir Lose a Lot to make a comment as to what should be done, but if there is going to be any grounds for leniency I would think that an open confession before any investigation was triggered could be one. But I don't know whether Russ believes in a "zero tolerance" policy or not, so it's up to him.
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Originally posted by GrayeyesofsorrowGrey: I hate to do this again...BUT
While I dont totally agree with SirLoseAlot, I can see why he did it.
I can see why you "can see why he did it"
Since you have admitted to using an engine against a player (meman) that you "KNEW" was using an engine himself. BTW how did those games turn out?
I'm not trying to accuse or ban you from the site. I just don't approve of anybody using an engine just because they think their opponent is.
Edit: I looked the games up...they are still in progress. Are you stilling using Fritz to help you combat meman?
Originally posted by no1marauderDoes this not imply that cheating would be a sufficient, but not necessary condition of account termination?
The TOS does NOT make it clear that the use of engines, or any other violation of the TOS, is grounds for automatic dismissal. Here's exactly what it says regarding deletion of accounts for TOS violations:
13. TERMINATION
You agree that RHP may, under certain circumstances and without prior notice, immediately terminate your RHP accou ...[text shortened]... t I don't know whether Russ believes in a "zero tolerance" policy or not, so it's up to him.
Withrespecttoyourtwobitlawyership, 😉
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I am currently in the process of 'reacting' to the recent accusations and confessions. Hence the talk of game mods. I can't introduce game mods overnight, it takes time, but once they are in place, there will be a process for dealing with cheats.
The recent confessions are no doubt a reaction to the announcements of the soon-to-be-introduced game mods, so, as Phlab says, this is a transitional period - it will just take until early new year until we have everything straight.
Also, to counter accusations that TOS breaches were dealt with instantly when they were forum related, this was true, but the violation was clear and often could not be disputed. In the case of some cheating accusations, it is not so clear-cut. I have repeatedly contacted one of the recently accused cheaters, and they in return repeatedly deny cheating. Until the game mods are active and processing some of the more serious accusations, I do not wish to penalise such players. (Although it can appear that I am delaying the inevitable in some cases.)
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Originally posted by tmetzlerIn the end I decided not to use engines against Meman, the games are still going and im losing in both now. I have no doubt that my fritz could smack the 12 shades of sh*t out of his. I think I can say "I see why he did" it is because frankly im more aware of the amount of cheating going on, in RHP. Where as most people lose games to engines and never know anything about it I know I lost to an engine, i know im playing an engine, I know hes only running it for 30 seconds to get a move that beat me.
Grey: I hate to do this again...BUT
I can see why you "can see why he did it"
Since you have admitted to using an engine against a player (meman) that you "KNEW" was using an engine himself. BTW how did those games turn out?
...[text shortened]... progress. Are you stilling using Fritz to help you combat meman?
Its that, that makes me want to turn on fritz and show them how it feels.
As for the meman games im stalling and waiting for the mods to boot his bum :-)
I take about 30 mins over each meman move, after iv made the move 10 mins later I have both games waiting again! sighs, you have to understand how utterly annoying that is, especially when you are losing :-(
Originally posted by GrayeyesofsorrowGreyeyes,
In the end I decided not to use engines against Meman, the games are still going and im losing in both now. I have no doubt that my fritz could smack the 12 shades of sh*t out of his. I think I can say "I see why he did" it is because frankly im more aware of the amount of cheating going on, in RHP. Where as most people lose games to engines a ...[text shortened]... it feels.
As for the meman games im stalling and waiting for the mods to boot his bum :-)
You are using engines against people you suspect? Is that what you are saying? I am confused??