Originally posted by catfoodtimActually, there are lots of people who do watch your teams and support the national side here. Plus did you know our PM is supporting England in this competition, as he is in the above category?
[b]I don't support any Saxon club. It's true alot of people do here, but I am not one of them.
That's why I mentioned the Irish nation and not your good self.
It's not sour grapes (you misunderstand what that term means, by the way). If you were any good, then why would I not want you to win as a neutral?
I understand what sour grapes me ...[text shortened]... ompetition, like most of your countrymen. If Ireland had qualified would you be a neutral?[/b]
Of course if Ireland were in I wouldn't be neutral. I don't suggest you shouldn't support the team at all. You should be proud of you team and, let's face it, your game.
Just don't get too carried away, and too expectant, especially when you're not playing that well. And in the last game against Sweden I was up for England, by the way. Felt a bit sorry for H L, but overall wanted England to go through.
Originally posted by marinakatombFriendlies mean nothing. We beat Sweden 3-0 before the competition. That doesn't mean we would have beaten Germany the other day, though, does it. Friendlies are for trying out things, trial and error and all.
You obviously didn't watch Engerland beat Argentina 3-2 a month or so ago did you?
Originally posted by sjegWhat a disgrace!
And you can't really complain about the Irish too mush, your best players last night were young Lennon (Irish name- never seen or heard of him before, but he looks a talent), and Wayne Rooney (110% Irish tinker- sorry about the rest of them, but at least he's a talent).
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You know, some of the England players were black, too.
They obviously can't be English can they if they're black?
Is that what you're saying?
Originally posted by sjegAwww.... boo hoo! Poor little Sjeggie's got his knickers in a twist and is all worked up again :'(
Ok- you are right. it was small-minded and moronic of me to suggest that England have played badly.
Now I shall be off to shave my head, get a tattoo with the word Mum in a heart, throw a bottle of Stella at a passing German family and sing God save our sexy queen.
That should educate me and open my mind. Let's face it, you're famous for those qualities over your way. You must be very proud of yourselves.
Please fell free to have another racist, abusive tantrum and prove my point for me again!
Originally posted by sjegLike i said, you obviously didn't watch the match! That match was played in 6th gear for 90 minutes. You are right, England aren't playing brilliant football. As an England fan i am disapointed that this is the case, i struggle to find a reason, three weeks ago the looked very good, as soon as the World Cup started they suddenly lost confidence. However, they have been winning! You can't be too critical of a side that is getting results. They were shocking against Sweden, they should have won that game. Lord knows i hated watching that game, but they are capable of playing VERY well when they want to. We are yet to see their best, don't write them off against Portugal.
Friendlies mean nothing. We beat Sweden 3-0 before the competition. That doesn't mean we would have beaten Germany the other day, though, does it. Friendlies are for trying out things, trial and error and all.
Originally posted by sjegYou must really, really want to be able to support England. They really seem to be getting to you.
And one more thing- I gather you're an Englishman living in Ireland, and you're shocked or hurt at the Irish supporting Italy, Brasil, or Argentina?
1) Why should we be supporting you? You seem to have an attitude suggesting you think we're still part of a certain Union, which we are not anymore.
I understand that you might support us as neighbours and ...[text shortened]... s and fans weren't so bloody annoying. Fact is, they are intolerable. Do you not see that?
There are lots of teams around that don't play very well or whose fans people don't really like but it doesn't seem to bother most people.
Originally posted by catfoodtimI don't want you to feel bad. Why would I? I don't hate the English. I love England. Always have fun there. Many English friends too.
Not shocked or hurt, no matter how much you'd like me to be. I don't give a rat's ass what you want to believe to be true.
1) Why do your countrymen support Premier League clubs then? You have an adequate (3rd Division) Football (sorry...Soccer..)League of your own. But you keep on pumping your money back to English soccer.
2) That's one of the ...[text shortened]... ish' Daily Mirror' The 'Irish' Daily Mail, The 'Irish' News of the World?
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1) Soccer is one of 4 field sports played here. Not really that popular until 1988 when we beat England 1-0 in Stuttgart! 😀 Anyhoo, all decent soccer players always left to play abroad, usually in England. And some clubs have more of an Irish link than others, the ones you mentioned all have great Irish players of past days. That's the connection. Actually, I haven't seen many people supporting Chelsea, it's not been one of the popular clubs traditionally. I favour the London clubs, though, as a neutral, because I like London, so if some kids like Chelsea now, fair play to them.
2) Why is it sad. As a football fan, why not wear a Barca jersey, if they play good football? That's not sad at all.
3) Who brought up the 800 years of war stuff. Not me. We tire of that too. It's not ABE, as you say. But what I will say is you don't make yourselves popular before any tourny (and internationally) by assuming ultimate victory is a cert without foundation. And then there's the lovely fans. You might get the picture that you're not really crying out for support with the image you put out there. So people want to see you beaten. It's not much to do with 800 years over here, it's more the last 40 since you won the cup.
4) Working class people seem to like tabloids. England does them best. I don't think anyone thinks they're Irish, as you rightly point out. My point was this press is very annoying. But I like the page 3. Fair play.
And 'rat's ass'? That's the second time I've heard that here. Am I talking to anyone who speaks English, or have you lost so much of your identity that you're all yankified and speaking like they do on Friends? It's your language, so use it. it's also your game, so why not play it a bit?😀
Originally posted by sjegErm. Hello? Slight contradiction here dude?
1: I don't want you to feel bad. Why would I? I don't hate the English. I love England. Always have fun there. Many English friends too.
2: Now I shall be off to shave my head, get a tattoo with the word Mum in a heart, throw a bottle of Stella at a passing German family and sing God save our sexy queen.
That should educate me and open my mind. Let's face it, you're famous for those qualities over your way. You must be very proud of yourselves.
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Originally posted by sjegThe image of the English fans is not something I'm particularly proud of but you're wrong if you think it makes people glad to see England beaten. The Irish, Scots and the Welsh always want the English to lose and always try and justyify that feeling with the reason de jour. I don't know why you can't admit that underneath it all you have a biggotted view of the English. It would be honest at least.
And then there's the lovely fans. You might get the picture that you're not really crying out for support with the image you put out there. So people want to see you beaten.
Most countries treat the England team in the same way as any other countries' team. Here in Norway, for example, most people support England now Sweden are out (many supported England before that too).
Whatever though, try not to get so uptight about it, it doesn't suit you.
Originally posted by VargNot really. It was more 'stop complaining the Irish don't get behind your team, we gave you your best players on the night'.
What a disgrace!
You know, some of the England players were black, too.
They obviously can't be English can they if they're black?
Is that what you're saying?
England has assimilated people from all over the world rather well, actually, with certain recent exceptions which we won't go into here. It's a very positive country from that point of view.
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Originally posted by marinakatombWait a moment, a reasonable and intelligent comment? So we get one in this thread! Hurrah!
Like i said, you obviously didn't watch the match! That match was played in 6th gear for 90 minutes. You are right, England aren't playing brilliant football. As an England fan i am disapointed that this is the case, i struggle to find a reason, three weeks ago the looked very good, as soon as the World Cup started they suddenly lost confidence. However well when they want to. We are yet to see their best, don't write them off against Portugal.
I did see the game down the pub. England played quite well, true. But again, friendlies don't really matter that much. It's been a long time since they played really well in a competetive fixture, would you not say? And Sven's been there long enough to know the ropes by now, surely.
This was supposed to be the best team sent to the WC since 1970. The talent's there, if you believe that. But then the players still have to perform at this level. Who do you blame- them or Sven? I don't know the answer, but the facts are clear- it's a poor show thus far.
You say they can play better, and I believe they could, too. But on current performance, you're pretty lucky to be in the quarters. I'd say Ecuador was the only team in the last 16 that could have been beaten with such a poor show.
And Portugal, now missing key players- well, they're a weakened side. I'm glad we will still see Figo play. Last time around it was a good match. But they've never got by the 1/4s since 1966, if I'm not mistaken, and England haven't in any major competition under Sven. Something will change. Should be a hardly fought contest. The Portuguese will go for it, anyway. And if England show up, and fight for it, it might even be a spectacle. But we're still waiting for that.
Originally posted by sjegEngland often have good players but always disappoint as a team in my view. They have been quite lucky in this tournament and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. They have just done enough. It's not just footy, it seems to be in all sports (except the world cup rugby team who beat everyone for a year or two).
Wait a moment, a reasonable and intelligent comment? So we get one in this thread! Hurrah!
I did see the game down the pub. England played quite well, true. But again, friendlies don't really matter that much. It's been a long time since they played really well in a competetive fixture, would you not say? And Sven's been there long enough to know the ropes ...[text shortened]... tion under Sven. Something will change. Should be a hardly fought contest (I hope).
You shouldn't blame the English for the hysteria of the press. I think most people are quite realistic about Englands chances. They may get lucky and they may even pull off a good game and if so, it wont be the first time a team have done well in a tourny under those circumstance.
Originally posted by jimslyp69That's only a contradiction if you accept the shaven-headed beer swilling ignorant thug as a fair representative of Englishness, which you seemingly do.
Erm. Hello? Slight contradiction here dude?
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Erm hello!?! Dude! I hear Rachel is like so totally pregnant and stuff. Don't tell Joey. And Chandler was all like 'erm, hello, could I be more annoying?'
Originally posted by WheelyWait now- are you suggesting that a country like Norway, a northern, protestant, anti-EU, monarchy, might have supported their neighbours, Sweden, a northern, protestant, anti-EU monarchy in the world cup, and when they went out, might then support England. But how could you possibly come to support a country so starkly different from your own? You must be so open-minded over there...
The image of the English fans is not something I'm particularly proud of but you're wrong if you think it makes people glad to see England beaten. The Irish, Scots and the Welsh always want the English to lose and always try and justyify that feeling with the reason de jour. I don't know why you can't admit that underneath it all you have a biggotted view o ...[text shortened]... that too).
Whatever though, try not to get so uptight about it, it doesn't suit you.
p.s. 'reason de jour'? You're fired.
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Originally posted by sjeghehehe 🙂
p.s. 'reason de jour'? You're fired.
Are you suggesting that most people decide who to support based on the political and religious state of the country in question? You might, my friend but that's why I suggested you are showing bigotry.
Actually, Norway has been been conquered by the Swedes and overrun on more than one occasion. Sweden, surprisingly, has behaved in a not dissimilar fashion (though less bloody) in the rest of the Nordic countries than England has with its nearby states. However, the Nordic countries seem to have forgotten all that and although they all like to beat Sweden themselves in sport, will generally support them when they are on their own.
You may be surprised to learn that most countries even France, will support England on their merit. If they are playing well they will be supported, if not, they won't be and generally it has nothing to do with the English supporters, the crazy press, politics, religion or some bizarre latent victim mentality.