Originally posted by FreakyKBHBump for sonhouse.
Which is exactly the point of the inquiry.
We are seeing objects which--- according to the formula--- ought to be anywhere from a few feet to thousands of feet below the horizon somehow, inexplicably visible exactly [b]on the horizon.
The most recent example discussed are the two islands in Hawaii.
Although the video demonstrates otherwise, the o ...[text shortened]... ll others), refraction of light is not a satisfactory answer to explain what is clearly visible.[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThis is nothing more than blatant dodge.
You haven't missed much, actually.
Those same two questions which I put forward several weeks ago remain unanswered.
I'll answer yours in full, once you answer mine.
1. I can't see Liverpool which is give or take 30 miles from my house. So you seeing Cleveland from your house is meaningless.
2. I provided a photo for you to demonstrate how NASA had faked it. You ignored it.
Over to you.
Originally posted by Proper KnobSeeing Cleveland (and objects even more distant) from a distance is significant for one reason and one reason only: objects on a round earth become no longer visible as the distance between them and the observer increase.
This is nothing more than blatant dodge.
1. I can't see Liverpool which is give or take 30 miles from my house. So you seeing Cleveland from your house is meaningless.
2. I provided a photo for you to demonstrate how NASA had faked it. You ignored it.
Over to you.
I cannot see thirty to forty miles south of my house here on the southern shore of Lake Erie; I can't even see a mile south, actually.
Is it because the earth drops off that dramatically?
Of course not!
It's because there are trees and houses in the way!
It is only when we are on a relatively flat surface with no physical obstacles or differing elevations that this comes into play.
In an area of the earth with no limit to the line of sight, we should be able to detect a loss of sight from the curvature of the earth as it curves away from our position.
That rate of loss is (roughly) distance in miles squared multiplied by eight inches.
So from my vantage point, I should be able to see Cleveland, but only what is above 250'.
I can see the entire city, from the shore and up.
From my vantage point, the power plant over 30 miles away should be nearly 600' below the horizon... but I can see the two stacks and the attendant buildings beneath.
What makes it even more significant: this view is possible every day, every night, throughout the seasonal changes as long as there's no rain or clouds blocking--- thereby eliminating refraction of light as the underlying cause.
I asked you to provide a NASA produced picture of the entire earth from space.
You haven't done this yet.
Over to you.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH'The image, taken July 6 (2015) from a vantage point one million miles from Earth, was one of the first taken by NASA’s Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC).'
Seeing Cleveland (and objects even more distant) from a distance is significant for one reason and one reason only: objects on a round earth become no longer visible as the distance between them and the observer increase.
I cannot see thirty to forty miles south of my house here on the southern shore of Lake Erie; I can't even see a mile south, actually. ...[text shortened]... NASA produced picture of the entire earth from space.
You haven't done this yet.
Over to you.
http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/africa-and-europe-from-a-million-miles-away
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeO0°ooo0
'The image, taken July 6 (2015) from a vantage point one million miles from Earth, was one of the first taken by NASA’s Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC).'
http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/africa-and-europe-from-a-million-miles-away
So pretty!
Perfectly round, beautiful blue marble!
Read the second paragraph.
Also, compare the several official shots they've distro'd over the last thirty to forty years and compare the wildly changing sizes of the continents.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHHave run it by my granddad and he confirms it is genuine.
O0°ooo0
So pretty!
Perfectly round, beautiful blue marble!
Read the second paragraph.
Also, compare the several official shots they've distro'd over the last thirty to forty years and compare the wildly changing sizes of the continents.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI'm sure you'll want to join me sir on congratulating Tim Peake on his return today from the International Space Station? (Or has he spent the last 6 months in a caravan in Birmingham?)
Ah: rhythm section of the one man band.
I have two pair hanging up in my closet, and one modified into cut-off shorts (yes, the pockets are visible; I'm not an animal).
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAlways amazed how happy and clean all those guys and girls look on the ISS considering there is no washing facilities up there. Even going to the loo in zero gravity is tricky.
I'm sure you'll want to join me sir on congratulating Tim Peake on his return today from the International Space Station? (Or has he spent the last 6 months in a caravan in Birmingham?)
(and they are up there for 6 months or so)
Just saying
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI'll have to find the clip which showed him at NASA whilst simultaneously broadcasting from "outer space which is really just low orbit in our atmosphere" less than two months ago.
I'm sure you'll want to join me sir on congratulating Tim Peake on his return today from the International Space Station? (Or has he spent the last 6 months in a caravan in Birmingham?)
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHYes, apparently he was also simultaneously in Topman buying a new cardigan.
I'll have to find the clip which showed him at NASA whilst simultaneously broadcasting from "outer space which is really just low orbit in our atmosphere" less than two months ago.
Edit: I'll try and find the clip.
