Originally posted by Grampy BobbyPerhaps you should name names if you have a problem.
Another suggestion would be for all posters to be quick to give benefit of doubt and to forgive. Three reasons: It's the noble
thing to do; creates less heat than light; tends to open up our privileged global conversations, rather than close them down.
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This view of yours fits some, but not others.
So, get brave.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitThanks, Phlabibit. Trust you realize you're singing to ye old choir
Reading your OP, you ask users to be more thoughtful. They are very thoughtful for the most part in my estimation.
If you don't think they are, perhaps there is something on YOUR end that needs adjusting. Perhaps you're not thinking of yourself but others on this subject, so I apologize if you are not saying users are not 'thoughtful' towards yo ...[text shortened]... bit of meat to the table come din-din if you've got beef with me and my views.
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with this objective, reasoned and thoughtful reply. We're good.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitMy daily focus always has been and still is on proven principles and worthwhile
Perhaps you should name names if you have a problem.
This view of yours fits some, but not others.
So, get brave.
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issues, not on personalities or style differences. Principles apply to everybody.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHere is where our view may differ.
My daily focus always has been and still is on proven principles and worthwhile
issues, not on personalities or style differences. Principles apply to everybody.
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Why should we 'tolerate' a user who might be wrong? If we say they are wrong that is nothing more than our opinion and others might not agree. That is fine.
If someone says something that is wrong, can we not say "YOU ARE WRONG" or should we sit back and 'tolerate' it?
Principals might apply to everybody, but do they apply to every situation?
RHP public forums shouldn't become the place where you can say what you like and everyone better agree or just stifle it. Flow of thought is disrupted when you can't question others.
I still don't see a problem with the level of courtesy granted us all, but is something bothering you specifically?
If so, feel free to PM me anytime and we can talk if there's something you're not comfortable talking about here in public.
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Originally posted by Phlabibit12 Feb '10 10:36 :: 0 recommendations (this thread, page 2)
Reading your OP, you ask users to be more thoughtful. They are very thoughtful for the most part in my estimation.
If you don't think they are, perhaps there is something on YOUR end that needs adjusting. Perhaps you're not thinking of yourself but others on this subject, so I apologize if you are not saying users are not 'thoughtful' towards yo ...[text shortened]... bit of meat to the table come din-din if you've got beef with me and my views.
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"Another suggestion would be that each member poster consider giving all other members a fair shake. How, you ask? By reading all posts and threads with an open mind... and with an objective viewpoint which recognizes the thought encoded print represents, at the very least, someone's uninformed or informed opinion and, at best, possibly useful information.
All that's required is momentary placement of the post on your left frontal lobe for the sake of consideration. Doesn't cost you a damn thing. Free is a good price. Your precious selfhood is still intact. No reason in the whole wide world to become agitated, ballistic emotional or threatened. No compunction to buy anything. Jury sitting in your forehead is still out.
Strictly your business if your thought process becomes stimulated and you become inclined to change your previous point of view, on the spur of the moment or at a later time. Only then do you buy in by way of info transfer to your right lobe for assimilation, circulation, application. Your biz also to reject strenuously, engage in lively conversation or high spirited locked horns debate. Point is that you first gave other member/posters an objective listen and in doing so, a fair shake".
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One other suggestion before Nurse Ratched's mandatory nap time: Let's all trashcan the 'you got a problem' fixated knee jerk focus along with the all too common dumbed down 'adversarial/I'm bruising for a fight' mentality. For myself, there are only two categories of site members, my friends and almost (though not quite yet potential) friends. I respect Russ & Chris immensely and appreciate the daily job volunteer chess and forum moderators do in maintaining fair play and keeping the site civilized. I stand in awe of the chess prowess of many opponents as well as the stalwart character and highly informed intelligence of many posters... and am fearful of no one, save the almighty. Thanks for finally removing my nick from your trusty 'Iggy List'. ~gb
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Originally posted by rhbSite Ideas Forum topics are by and large focused on system enhancements and narrow/technical.
I agree with Palynka. Take it to Site Ideas, Spanky.
General Forum topics tend to be wide ranging/usually behavioral... likes, dislikes, interest, things.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitOn one side of your lips you are saying everyone should have a right to say if they don't like something someone is saying.
Here is where our view may differ.
Why should we 'tolerate' a user who might be wrong? If we say they are wrong that is nothing more than our opinion and others might not agree. That is fine.
If someone says something that is wrong, can we not say "YOU ARE WRONG" or should we sit back and 'tolerate' it?
Principals might apply to everybody, but d ...[text shortened]... talk if there's something you're not comfortable talking about here in public.
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Then you are more or less telling a user they should change the way they are. Why not other users change the way they are? What if you changed the way you are?
I know, there isn't anyone who is going to dictate what I can and can not say unless it is against the TOS. The "Friend Group" especially!
When a gang of users chase after one or two posters, day after day to tell them how wrong he/she is, when does it become stalking? Why is it not ok to question for some, but ok for others to question? You know exactly what I am talking about because we been over this more times than I would like to remember!
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12 Feb '10 10:36 :: 0 recommendations (this thread, page 2)
"Another suggestion would be that each member poster consider giving all other members a fair shake. How, you ask? By reading all posts and threads with an open mind... and with an objective viewpoint which recognizes the thought encoded print represents, at the very least, someone's u ...[text shortened]... my nick from your trusty 'Iggy List'. ~gb
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"I stand in awe of the incredible chess prowess of many opponents as well as the stalwart character and highly informed intelligence of many posters... and am fearful of no person or trinity, save the almighty toward whom I have only an inexpressible reverential awe and daily gratitude. Thanks for removing my nick from your trusty 'Iggy List'. ~gb
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Originally posted by Very RustyYou never seem to 'remember' or 'understand' that there is NOT a "Friend Group".
On one side of your lips you are saying everyone should have a right to say if they don't like something someone is saying.
Then you are more or less telling a user they should change the way they are. Why not other users change the way they are? What if you changed the way you are?
I know, there isn't anyone who is going to dictate what I can and what I am talking about because we been over this more times than I would like to remember!
Just because many users don't agree with 'some' of the things you say doesn't mean they are a one minded collective of people put in this forum to disagree with you. They are all individuals who happen to not agree with you. You always avoid this, or disregard it when I have this conversation with you.
I'm not sure if GB is talking about himself or you, or other users... but the solution isn't 'tell everyone let me say what I like, and tolerate it'.
No one is disagreeing with you because it's fun or funny, they disagree because they don't agree. When they do this, you call them part of some special sect or clique. What it really is is this, lots of people don't agree with some of the stuff you say.
I'm talking out of one part of my mouth in my post, the front. Rather than change everyone's style of posting so some users can blather; how about the blatherer considers WHY so many people don't agree. I said nothing more.
One time GB told Wormwood or GBigStees his view of that user changed because the user didn't agree with GB on a point. Veiled insult was added, per usual. What was said was an honest view/disagreement with something posted and nothing more.
This user didn't suddenly go from respectable/intelligent user overnight in real life, GB's view of the user was what changed when confronted by a user who didn't agree.
Remember VR, disagreeing isn't a personal attack. When many people don't agree with you that's exactly what it is, it's not a 'group thing' with users just randomly picking names to disagree with.
They really just don't agree with what you've said, each one individually, of their own will. Not a gang, not a clique, not a friend group. Individuals each with their own mind not agreeing with something said.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitTo say there is not a "Friend Group" is just plain silly. There has been one ever since I arrived, and it existed before I came, and will probably be here long after I am gone.
You never seem to 'remember' or 'understand' that there is NOT a "Friend Group".
Just because many users don't agree with 'some' of the things you say doesn't mean they are a one minded collective of people put in this forum to disagree with you. They are all individuals who happen to not agree with you. You always avoid this, or disregard it when I h each with their own mind not agreeing with something said.
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When a certain group of people continue to go into threads to disagree with a poster or two we will use as an example and it is done a daily basis: What do you call that? I am still waiting for the answer on this which you always seem to avoid, or dance around as I like to say.
Name me the 'many users' who disagree with me Phlabs...Do you ever find that they are from a certain clan mostly, and others are obviously friends of this particular clan, or wanna be friends. Yes, a "Friends Group" does exist here. I and some others just don't happen to be on it.
I wonder how you would react to users who constantly badgered you, or disagreed with you just for the sake of doing it, if your status was different from what it is. I am sure you would strike back in any way you could to defend yourself, no different than GB does...It always seems to be what GB has done, not what has been done to GB.
I would say it is impossible that one person can be wrong 100% of the time wouldn't you? All Joking aside for a minute or two if you can.
Originally posted by Very RustyWhat you really mean is not so much a "Friend Group" as an "Common Enemy Group" (CEG).
To say there is not a "Friend Group" is just plain silly. There has been one ever since I arrived, and it existed before I came, and will probably be here long after I am gone.
When a certain group of people continue to go into threads to disagree with a poster or two we will use as an example and it is done a daily basis: What do you call that? I am ...[text shortened]... be wrong 100% of the time wouldn't you? All Joking aside for a minute or two if you can.
I know there are some here whose main purpose seems to be to make fun of other posters.
I'm all for ruthlessly harrassing fat posters if it will shame them into losing weight, though.
Originally posted by homedepotovWell done! By disagreeing with his statement you've just become part of the Friends Group.
What you really mean is not so much a "Friend Group" as an "Common Enemy Group" (CEG).
I know there are some here whose main purpose seems to be to make fun of other posters.
I'm all for ruthlessly harrassing fat posters if it will shame them into losing weight, though.
Your membership card will be posted shortly and orders about which posters to hassle will be PM'd on a daily basis.