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  1. Standard memberSeitse
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    12 Mar '15 13:02
    Wow, it is true, the dudes in orange with a shaved head
    *truly* are non-violent!

    I thought it was an urban legend, but today I saw them
    banging their hipster drums and giving flowers away,
    and I decided to put it to test.

    First I grabbed a boob from one of the women in the group
    and when they got nervous and bitchy about it, I proceeded
    to give a gentle slap to one of the dudes telling me how
    I needed love in my life.

    Got a laugh, walked away, and I feel stupendous because
    this is 100% for science, guys. I mean, really, you have
    a hypothesis, you test it, and you record the results. Right?
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    12 Mar '15 13:04
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Wow, it is true, the dudes in orange with a shaved head
    *truly* are non-violent!

    I thought it was an urban legend, but today I saw them
    banging their hipster drums and giving flowers away,
    and I decided to put it to test.

    First I grabbed a boob from one of the women in the group
    and when they got nervous and bitchy about it, I proceeded
    to give a g ...[text shortened]... e, guys. I mean, really, you have
    a hypothesis, you test it, and you record the results. Right?
    No that was plain wrong in any ethical scheme I care to value.
  3. Standard memberSeitse
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    12 Mar '15 13:05
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    No that was plain wrong in any ethical scheme I care to value.
    B-but... it's for science, isn't it?
  4. Standard memberSeitse
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    12 Mar '15 13:23
    ISN'T IT?!?!
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    12 Mar '15 13:261 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    ISN'T IT?!?!
    No. IT is not.
    The best you can claim is to have garnered circumstantial evidence.

    If you wanted to provide science with insights you should have had to answer a scientific question. Before performing your experiment you should have made an ethics check.
    And you probably didn't get a permit from the people you petsered, that they wanted to be included in your "scientific" test.
    I expect that you post here when you will publish the results in a scientific paper.

    edit: A story for you on science: A journalist, a physicist and a mathematician go on a train journey to Scottland. Just after passing the frontier the Journalist looks out of the window and sees a sheep. He says excitedly: "hey in Scottland sheep are black"
    Says the physicist: "In scottland there is at least one black sheep"
    Says the mathematician: "In Scottland is at least one sheep which is black on at least one side."
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    12 Mar '15 13:41
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    No. IT is not.
    The best you can claim is to have garnered circumstantial evidence.
    If you wanted to provide science with insights you should have had to answer a scientific question. Before performing your experiment you should have made an ethics check.
    And you probably didn't get a permit from the people you petsered, that they wanted to be included ...[text shortened]... fic" test.
    I expect that you post here when you will publish the results in a scientific paper.
    What about social science?
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    12 Mar '15 13:50
    Originally posted by Seitse
    What about social science?
    I talked ybout social science. There is a distinct question, a well chosen refernce group and a statisical evaluation. There is a check on ethical issues and there are peer reviewed journals.
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    12 Mar '15 13:58
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    I talked ybout social science. There is a distinct question, a well chosen refernce group and a statisical evaluation. There is a check on ethical issues and there are peer reviewed journals.
    What if they actually liked it?
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    12 Mar '15 13:59
    Originally posted by Seitse
    What if they actually liked it?
    Did you ask?
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    12 Mar '15 14:12
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    Did you ask?
    Well, technically, since they did not retaliate I do not have
    evidence of the contrary.

    If we assume that the basic instincts of humans, when faced
    with discomfort, are summed up as (a) fight, or (b) flight;
    they did neither, hence it can be safely inferred that they
    were not faced with discomfort. The absence of discomfort
    is, in a binary perspective, comfort. Therefore they were
    comfortable with me grabbing a boob and slapping a face.

    For science, that is.
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    12 Mar '15 14:16
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Well, technically, since they did not retaliate I do not have
    evidence of the contrary.

    If we assume that the basic instincts of humans, when faced
    with discomfort, are summed up as (a) fight, or (b) flight;
    they did neither, hence it can be safely inferred that they
    were not faced with discomfort. The absence of discomfort
    is, in a binary perspective ...[text shortened]... ore they were
    comfortable with me grabbing a boob and slapping a face.

    For science, that is.
    "automatic" behaviour is fight or flight, but reflected humans have also some more options. They can endure.

    Satndning in a queue is a discomfort to most people, but they still do it to obatin something.

    If you were blessed with empathy you probably would have feeled if the persons were comfortable (which I doubt) or not.
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    12 Mar '15 14:24
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    "automatic" behaviour is fight or flight, but reflected humans have also some more options. They can endure.

    Satndning in a queue is a discomfort to most people, but they still do it to obatin something.

    If you were blessed with empathy you probably would have feeled if the persons were comfortable (which I doubt) or not.
    Indeed, which is the 'fast thinking' (Khanemman dixit), i.e.
    human natural reactions away from the nurtured 'slow
    thinking' in which learned behaviors come into play. Since
    they instinctively showed no signs of discomfort, the only
    ones which can be measured vs. my assumptions as
    field researcher, it is safe to conclude that they were
    comfortable with it.

    Although I agree with your assertion regarding empathy,
    I consider that it is not accurate to reflect upon them my
    own conceptions of comfort or discomfort. You see, being
    a sociopath skews a bit my perceptions of them hence I
    must rely on empirical evidence.

    Am I ready to publish now?
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    12 Mar '15 14:28
    Originally posted by Seitse
    B-but... it's for science, isn't it?
    YouTube

    😀
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    12 Mar '15 14:39
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Indeed, which is the 'fast thinking' (Khanemman dixit), i.e.
    human natural reactions away from the nurtured 'slow
    thinking' in which learned behaviors come into play. Since
    they instinctively showed no signs of discomfort, the only
    ones which can be measured vs. my assumptions as
    field researcher, it is safe to conclude that they were
    comfortable with ...[text shortened]... t my perceptions of them hence I
    must rely on empirical evidence.

    Am I ready to publish now?
    I suggest that yournal:

    http://www.jir.com/
  15. Standard memberSeitse
    Doug Stanhope
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    12 Mar '15 14:47
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    I suggest that yournal:

    http://www.jir.com/
    I'm seriously considering this one:

    http://www.jeabjaba.org
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