Originally posted by bbarrAll your arguments can prove is that a specifically christian god doesn't exist. It fails to disprove that a deistic god does not exist (for example) or some other type of god. I would almost be willing to agree with you that a christian god can not exist, but even then I am not willing to take that stance. The drawbacks outnumber the gains in my opinion.
Right, but if there are good reasons to think that God doesn't exist (e.g., the evidential argument from evil, inconsistencies in the supposed divine attributes, etc.) then why isn't that sufficient to justify the belief that God doesn't exist? If we have good evidence that God doesn't exist, provided by these sorts of arguments, then we thereby have good reason to believe (i.e., are justified in believing) that God doesn't exist.
Originally posted by bbarrI know you don't believe that 😀 Neither does God.
Right, the point the Rob fails to recognize is that knowledge does not require certainty. If it were the case the knowledge required certainly, then it would be impossible to know anything at all.
Claiming to know that something doesn't exist denies the infinite possibilities of an expanding universe
Originally posted by rwingettI have an evidential argument from evil. This provides very good reason for thinking that God does not exist. It is satisfactory to convince all rational parties not antecedently committed to the existence of God. It's possible that the conclusion of the argument is mistaken, but I am justified in believing that God does not exist. I can present further arguments that support the conclusion of the evidential argument.
I have a copy of my birth certificate. That is very good proof that my name is Rob. It is satisfactory to all parties involved. Now it's still possible the birth certificate could be mistaken, but I am justified in believing that my name is Rob. I could gather more evidence to verify my claim that my name is Rob if so required. Verifiable, tangible evidence ...[text shortened]... f. That is all your position accomplishes is forcing yourself to take on half of that burden.
Originally posted by rwingettI'm not talking about adeism. I'm talking about atheism.
All your arguments can prove is that a specifically christian god doesn't exist. It fails to disprove that a deistic god does not exist (for example) or some other type of god. I would almost be willing to agree with you that a christian god can not exist, but even then I am not willing to take that stance. The drawbacks outnumber the gains in my opinion.
Originally posted by bbarrAll the argument from evil demonstrates is that a god that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent is incompatible with the presence of evil in the world. It's still possible that there is a god who lacks one or more of those qualities. There are theodicies that claim just that. The tack usually taken in this regard is that god is not omnibenevolent. All you're able to demonstrate is that christians are idiots. You can't disprove the existence of a god for whom no qualities are specified. All you can do is demonstrate that certain specific gods are logical contradictions. I maintain that your claim of strong atheism is irresponsible. It gains you nothing and gives great comfort to the christian apologists.
I have an evidential argument from evil. This provides very good reason for thinking that God does not exist. It is satisfactory to convince all rational parties not antecedently committed to the existence of God. It's possible that the conclusion of the argument is mistaken, but I am justified in believing that God does not exist. I can present further arguments that support the conclusion of the evidential argument.
Originally posted by bbarrNow you're being ridiculous. There's no such thing as 'adeism.' Someone who didn't believe in a deist god would also be an atheist.
I'm not talking about adeism. I'm talking about atheism.
I think what you're saying is that you're a strong atheist in regard to a specifically 3-O, christian god of the bible. That's all well and fine for what it's worth. But to say that you're a strong atheist in regard to all possible gods is nothing short of irresponsible. All it does is reinforce the old christian propogated stereotype of the strident atheist bogeyman who claims, in no uncertain terms, to 'know' that there are no gods. You may tread there at your own peril, but I will never allow myself to be backed into that corner.
