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Originally posted by Elamef37So surely then you also see the injustice of RN calling Sushill a racist?
Wrong, I wasn't pigeonholing you. You are the only one, to this point, that has said, there is the difference in saying it was racist in nature to saying its racist or the person was. It just hadn't clicked with no1. He could only see Racist. He doesn't see, that I said, it was Racist in nature.
Originally posted by PalynkaI see it as a distinction without a difference. Her posts clearly indicated that she believed the avatar was "racist". It's fairly obvious that anyone who would knowingly post a "racist" avatar, is a racist. Sushill, unlike her, obviously knew what his avatar meant. Thus, the only logical conclusion is that she was asserting that Sushill was a racist. This conclusion is reinforced by her other post regarding the BWA.
She didn't call him racist. She said that an avatar about a black man in chains was offensive and racist in nature. These are important differences.
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Originally posted by Elamef37I saw this on page 2 of the "inappropriate" thread:
Wrong, I wasn't pigeonholing you. You are the only one, to this point, that has said, there is the difference in saying it was racist in nature to saying its racist or the person was. It just hadn't clicked with no1. He could only see Racist. He doesn't see, that I said, it was Racist in nature.
Oh, allright, so its okay for me to be REMINDED of this, every time I see a post by this person[Sushill], who had this avatar, and I have to remember that the pic, is telling me, that he should be chained, because of his race and because he is inferior. Okay, I get it now.
Racism = Black man in chains (check)
Racism = Black man in chains because of his Race (check)
Racism = Black man in chains because of his Race because he's inferior (check)
You may also check her exchange with RN on page 4 where she agrees with his blanket charges of racism: http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=113640&page=4
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Originally posted by PalynkaI don't know why I am getting back into this train wreck, but I feel compelled to address a couple of issues.
Thanks for your reasoned post cash. Let me tell you where I stand:
1. I defended the legitimacy of her complaint. If you go back to the original thread, you'll see me defending her. On the grounds that many people would not recognize the avatar as Kunta Kinte and so would misinterpret it.
2. You'd also see me defending BWA members from blanket accusati ehand, so now I don't know why she isn't willing to admit that might have played a part.
1. I didn't know elame was in the club until after this all started. I actually sent her a PM inviting her to join and she responded that she was already in the club.
2. There is a three post BWA thread on page 1 of the TSM forum that started well after this all began. I started it advising members to allow no1 to continue shooting himself in the foot.
3. There may be another thread somewhere in the archives. We have alot of threads. I don't have time to look. I imagine the PFC has a better idea of what is in our forum than I do. I don't believe elame read any old threads about the BWA based on conversations I had with her in the early going.
4. Contrary to huck's statement, this is the THIRD THREAD on this topic. I realize this one started on a different topic but has been taken over by the debate on sushi's avatar.
5. I have long been an outspoken critic of the BWA's amos-and-andy-like minstrel show. I am unrepentant in that.
6. no1 was a member of the BWA and had an avatar at least as offensive as sushi's, probably more. He is obviously a fan of the BWA. His arguemtns are not about free speech, but about defending his clan.
7. I have stayed out of the thread because the entire topic bores me.
8. When liquidator got banned, a member of the PFC threw fuel on the fire by celebrating.
9. When susuhi's presumptively racist avatar was removed, no member of TSM started celebratory threads.
Originally posted by Elamef37Because if it had been properly investigated, I find it hard to believe that it would have been considered racist or "racist in nature" which it clearly wasn't.
You are entitled to your opinion. I can never say, that you aren't. But, how would you know if it wasn't investigated?
Feedback is notoriously slow on this site - unless it's about subscriptions. 😀
All my posts are my own opinion and not intended to offend.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou of course, have your opinion. I have mine.
I see it as a distinction without a difference. Her posts clearly indicated that she believed the avatar was "racist". It's fairly obvious that anyone who would knowingly post a "racist" avatar, is a racist. Sushill, unlike her, obviously knew what his avatar meant. Thus, the only logical conclusion is that she was asserting that Sushill was a racist. This conclusion is reinforced by her other post regarding the BWA.
Originally posted by PalynkaI knew where you stood on the issue and I am glad you are open minded. I respect that, I also thank you for defending a fellow subscriber who was offended on reasonable grounds. I also admit that I do not know Sushill on a personal level in great detail. But I am very familiar with BWA and much of their past history. I know what I have seen in the past and it hasn't been squeaky clean in my opinion. I don't know why the clan leadership has changed to Sushill. I haven't asked and I am not sure it matters. I admit that I have a tendency to lump everyone in a clan into the same basket. I think others do that as well. I am on my part trying to change that because I know that it is not always true. But Palyanka, please think hard at how many times this issue has come up before. What possible good could come out of having an avatar of a black man in chains. If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, chances are it is a duck. Are you seriously telling me in this case it's a white guy who loves black so much he is going to put that stuff out there just to say oh look how pretty this Black guys jewelry is? Come on, go take a look around...you would recognize it if you saw it wouldn't you? What do they have to hide? You know what they have to hide.
Thanks for your reasoned post cash. Let me tell you where I stand:
1. I defended the legitimacy of her complaint. If you go back to the original thread, you'll see me defending her. On the grounds that many people would not recognize the avatar as Kunta Kinte and so would misinterpret it.
2. You'd also see me defending BWA members from blanket accusati ...[text shortened]... ehand, so now I don't know why she isn't willing to admit that might have played a part.
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveYes you can have your opinions, and if you direct them to me or alluding to me to someone else, I will respond.
Because if it had been properly investigated, I find it hard to believe that it would have been considered racist or "racist in nature" which it clearly wasn't.
Feedback is notoriously slow on this site - unless it's about subscriptions. 😀
All my posts are my own opinion and not intended to offend.
Wouldn't it be something that you can send feedback on, to perhaps get Admin to properly investigate it?