Originally posted by Dragon FireI played one e-mail tmt at IECG and was allowed into a section based on my CCLA rating (2025) and only got two draws which is one of the worst results I've ever had. The guys I lost to were the same guys the players I drew with lost to also. They e-mail you all completed games which I plugged into Fritz. Guess who had all the errors and suggested improvements? Only the games I played and the games of the guys I drew with. In all the other games, Fritz made no suggested improvements. I think I lost 4 games to Fritz, but there's nothing in the web site that says you can't use them. Anyway, I'd stay away from IECG.
See Thread 52830. A friend won't join alledgedly because of this possibility and from what people have posted in this thread I can symphasise with him.
I understand the ICCA allows the use of chess engines so cheating is not an issue. Also some other sites allow it. RHP does not.
Originally posted by masscatWhats the point of
I played one e-mail tmt at IECG and was allowed into a section based on my CCLA rating (2025) and only got two draws which is one of the worst results I've ever had. The guys I lost to were the same guys the players I drew with lost to also. They e-mail you all completed games which I plugged into Fritz. Guess who had all the errors and suggested improvem ...[text shortened]... re's nothing in the web site that says you can't use them. Anyway, I'd stay away from IECG.
a) playing against Fritz on the internet. I can buy it for £30 then play at home all I want?
b) using Fritz to play all your moves because you cannot play yourself. Everyone in the real world knows you can't play?
ICCA GMs use Fritz or other more powerful engines as a tool not to actually play but to play better than either could by themselves. A GM-ENGINE combination will come up with moves that an engine would not due to the inability of the engine to correctly assess long term tactical plans. But ENGINEs are unbeatable at short term forced tactical combinations of up to about 10 moves so the GM avoid such "elementary" mistakes.
Originally posted by Dragon FireMany years ago (more than I care to remember) I had a postal game published in a national mag. I was pretty proud of it of course. Down at the local club nobody had seen it, and what’s worse, didn’t want to. Out of about a dozen postal opponents, exactly one saw it. His comment was “nice game.” I realized then nobody cares about postal chess or ratings and my games are meaningless to everybody but me. Even then, I play them, run them through Fritz to see where I mades mistakes, put them in a database and they never see the light of day again. Same applies to internet chess & ratings. So why do people use engines? Fooling themselves, I guess.
Whats the point of
a) playing against Fritz on the internet. I can buy it for £30 then play at home all I want?
b) using Fritz to play all your moves because you cannot play yourself. Everyone in the real world knows you can't play?
Originally posted by masscatFooling themselves exactly! Everyone gets too worked up about it and it simply becomes an excuse for being outplayed and losing.
Many years ago (more than I care to remember) I had a postal game published in a national mag. I was pretty proud of it of course. Down at the local club nobody had seen it, and what’s worse, didn’t want to. Out of about a dozen postal opponents, exactly one saw it. His comment was “nice game.” I realized then nobody cares about postal chess or ratings ...[text shortened]... pplies to internet chess & ratings. So why do people use engines? Fooling themselves, I guess.
Most people are here to play and improve and actually don't want to cheat but they do get pissed off being accused of it if they play a good game that they are proud of. We all have peiods of brilliancy and idiocy!
Enjoy your chess and forget about cheating accusations. When you get a long run of good results and a high rating by someone whose contribution is spurious it will evenually become obvious. Most good players are always prepared to give help and advice to those less capable than themselves and inability and lack of knowledge soon becomes clear.