Originally posted by wormwoodYou sound like someone who has been down that road, and I couldn't have said it any better myself!
I've never seen a drunk getting straight without his own will. and I've tried everything, over and over and over again. it's what you do when you're raised up by one. but you just can't make it happen for someone else, it has to come from inside.
the best you can do is provide an environment to make it possible, compassion and dignity. and keep doing it. ...[text shortened]... of them, believe they can make it, so that's probably the main problem to address.
Originally posted by jimslyp69Sorry, I will have a hard time responding to your posts, You have already shown your inability to comprehend the question at hand and are certain to just create an argument over what is not the issue.
Anyway We have one man who we see can become a member of society again.
You clearly didn't understand the question. You clearly are putting your own spin on the subject matter and you clearly don't care.
My last response to any of your posts on this matter.
Originally posted by KJCavalierSometimes there are still people in AA who will make "house calls" or 12-Step calls. Really, talking to someone locally in the program will help a lot. While it's very true that someone has to be willing to sober up, some/many people do need a little nudge from the outside from someone whom they don't see as part of the problem. For example, if you blame your spouse for all your problems, then you're not going to listen to what that person has to say. But outsiders can gently pass along information. Call someone from the local AA hotline and see what they say. If nothing else, they can give you information about detox units and residential treatment centers.
Agreed.
Has me looking at it differently.
Best of luck to both of you!
he'll have to hit rock bottom first. everyone has a different bottom, he likely hasn't reached his yet, but when he does, he'll need help from others who have quit. Does your church sponser a 12 step program? If not they should consider it, 12 steps has the best track record for continued sobriety.
good luck
Originally posted by duecerMy church is very small. (35 members with a growing homeless group). We don't really have alot to offer to include the 12 step program.
he'll have to hit rock bottom first. everyone has a different bottom, he likely hasn't reached his yet, but when he does, he'll need help from others who have quit. Does your church sponser a 12 step program? If not they should consider it, 12 steps has the best track record for continued sobriety.
good luck
However....
We do have some connections to some of the help groups in the area. We can work with them to get them in 12 step programs and others. We have a resource center in a neighboring city that has an 18 month program to rehabilitate as well as train and prepare those who want it, to get back on top.
I do know that none of these programs will work without the person wanting it. I guess it is the biggest question of all. How do you get someone to want it before rock bottom hits?
While that is burning, what is lower than living on the street, without clothes, or a roof?
Originally posted by SeitseThanks Seitse, I believe thoroughly we are prepared to help at that point, but getting to that point is when?
I presume shame works wonders, but arising from inside rather
than from 'pointing fingers'. Once shame strikes the person deep
inside, it is necessary to "have ready" for the person: (a) open arms,
and (b) an alternative to let off steam, e.g. occupational shift.
I know it can't really be answered. It is more of a rhetorical question that anything else.
Originally posted by KJCavalierI am far from an authority, my friend, but what about giving some
Thanks Seitse, I believe thoroughly we are prepared to help at that point, but getting to that point is when?
I know it can't really be answered. It is more of a rhetorical question that anything else.
minor responsibilities to this person? Things that can contribute to the
sense of self-worth but also, should the person screw due to the boozing,
it can serve as a source of embarrassment.
Originally posted by SeitseIt was attempted already. But something spooked him back to the bottle.
I am far from an authority, my friend, but what about giving some
minor responsibilities to this person? Things that can contribute to the
sense of self-worth but also, should the person screw due to the boozing,
it can serve as a source of embarrassment.
