Originally posted by Chucklets37I keep hearing jackballs saying this in the media. "We need to take our country back." Sounds like a bunch of racist 'tards that simply cannot accept that we now have a black president. Well, get over it.
Put us on the path socialism and most likely revolution.
There is nothing good in that. Well maybe in the revolution part, we need to take our country back.
politics gets folks so riled up...
my guy this...
your guy that...
the snide jokes, "don't blame me"...
when i look at economic factors like stock market viability and jobless claims and gdp numbers, the economy looks like it may be on the mend...
hard to tell with the little data so far...
my portfolio izn't where it wuz back last october...
but,
it IS moving in tha right direction...
a misguided war brought about by verifiable lies is drawing to a close...
and yet another global hotspot continues to fester...
it seems to be driven by conflicting religious points of view...
the prez wants health care to be overhauled in a big way...
some say too much too soon,
some say not enuff too late...
everyone does seem to agree that "something" needs to be done...
just not "what" needs to be done...
my job is to maintain my lil one horse business...
need a tree trimmed???
landscaping done???
wiring, plumbing, welding???
i'll even paint...
ropin politicians iz harder than herding cats...
perhaps this discussion that i have now contributed too belongs in tha debate forum???
too late, too little, not much else...
rookie
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Originally posted by Chucklets37so you're against the idea to give 47m of your fellow americans affordable health care?
Put us on the path socialism and most likely revolution.
There is nothing good in that. Well maybe in the revolution part, we need to take our country back.
stop watching fox.
Changing the health care is great.
The mass of unsick people flooding the hospitals because it is covered by insurance or taxes (like canada) is bad.
Affordable health care is one thing. Health care like Canada is bad for USA due to 300 million vs 30 million.
Besides all that...affordable health care doesn't mean 47 million US citizens will pony up the money. They will still want more.
Originally posted by trev33Why don't you do a little research before you know what I watch. I have read the bill, have you. Here is a quick breakdown of it and why people are so upset.
so you're against the idea to give 47m of your fellow americans affordable health care?
stop watching fox.
Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!
Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get!
Page 29 - Lines 4-16 in the HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – YOUR Health Care is RATIONED!!!
Page 42 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - The “Health Choices Commissioner” will choose YOUR Health Care Benefits for you. You have no choice!
PAGE 50 - Section 152 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – Health Care will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise!
Page 58 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a National ID Health Card will be issued!
Page 59 – Lines 21-24 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – The government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer!
PAGE 65 - Sec 164 - A payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions &
“Community Organizations.” (ACORN?)
Page 72 - Lines 8-14 – The government is c1reating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control
PAGE 84 - Sec 203 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private plans in the Health Care Exchange!
PAGE 85 - Line 7 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Specifications for Benefit Levels for Plans - The government will ration your Health Care!
PAGE 91 - Lines 4-7 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – The government mandates linguistic-appropriate services. For example – Translation services for illegal aliens!
Page 95 – Lines 8-18 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for the government health care plan!
PAGE 85 - Line 7 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans - #AARP members - Health care WILL be rationed!!!
PAGE 102 - Lines 12-18 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – Medicaid-Eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. There will be no choice!
Page 124 - Lines 24-25 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - No company can sue the government for price fixing. There will be no "judicial review" against a government
monopoly!”
Page 127 - Lines 1-16 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The government will tell YOU what you can make!
Page 145 - Line 15-17 - An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees into the public option plan. There is NO CHOICE!
Page 126 - Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay for health care for part time employees AND their families!
Page 149 - Lines 16-24 - ANY employer with a payroll of $400K and above, who does not provide the public option will pay an 8% tax on the entire payroll amount!
Page 150 - Lines 9-13 – Any business with a payroll between $251K and $400K, that does not provide the public option will pay a 2-6% tax on the entire payroll amount!
Page 167 - Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to the government will be taxed 2.5% of their income!
Page 170 - Lines 1-3 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay!)
Page 195 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Officers and employees in Health Care Administration (government employees) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records!
PAGE 203 - Line 14-15 - HEALTH CARE - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!
Page 239 - Line 14-24 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – The government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, and the poor will be affected!
Page 241 - Line 6-8 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – For doctors, it doesn’t matter what specialty they have, they'll all be paid the same!
PAGE 253 - Line 10-18 – The government sets the value of the doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, they put their estimated value on humans!
PAGE 265 - Sec 1131 – The government mandates and controls productivity for private health care industries!
PAGE 268 - Sec 1141 – The federal government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs!
PAGE 272 - Section 1145 – The treatment of CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients will be subjected to rationing!
Page 280 - Section 1151 - The Government will penalize hospitals for what the government deems preventable readmissions!
Page 298 - Lines 9-11 – Doctors, if you treat a patient during the initial admission that results in a readmission, the government will penalize you!
Page 317 - Lines 13-20 - PROHIBITION on ownership/investment – The government tells doctors what and how much they can own!
Pages 317-318 - Lines 21-25,1-3 - PROHIBITION on expansion- The government is mandating hospitals cannot expand!
Page 321- Lines 2-13 - Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for an exception, BUT “community” input is required! (ACORN?)
Page 335 - Lines 16-25 - Pages 336-339 – The government mandates the establishment of outcome based measures, getting health care the way THEY want, meaning, “rationing!”
Page 341 - Lines 3-9 – The government has the authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc., allowing people into a government plan!
Page 354 - Section 1177 – The government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! My sister has down-syndrome!!
Page 379 - Section 1191 – The government creates more bureaucracy – The Health Advisory Committee! Can you say “health-care-by-phone?!”
PAGE 425 - Lines 4-12 – The government mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation!” Think “Senior Citizens’ end of life!
Page 425 - Lines 17-19 – The government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, making durable powers of attorney mandatory!
PAGE 425 - Lines 22-25; PAGE 426 - Lines 1-3 – The government provides you with the approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death!!
PAGE 427 - Lines 15-24 – The government mandates a program for orders for end-of-life resources! The government has a say in how your life ends!
Page 429 - Lines 1-9 - An "advance care planning consultation" will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates!
PAGE 429 - Lines 10-12 – An "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for the end-of-life plans. AN ORDER from the GOVERNMENT!!!
Page 429 - Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end-of-life order!
PAGE 430 - Lines 11-15 - The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at the end of your life!
Page 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services, i.e., Non-profit organizations (again does ACORN provide Medical Services here!!?
Page 472 - Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION - One monthly payment will be made to a community-based organization. (Like ACORN?)
PAGE 489 - Sec 1308 - The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy, which means they will insert government into your marriage!
Page 494-498 – The government will cover Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, and rationing those services!
Originally posted by Chucklets37WOW. And I was worried about tax increases...so much more now 🙁
Why don't you do a little research before you know what I watch. I have read the bill, have you. Here is a quick breakdown of it and why people are so upset.
Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!
Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE t ...[text shortened]... er Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, and rationing those services!
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Originally posted by Chucklets37yes and i'm sure all the caps were in the original text as well. get that off fox.com did you?
Why don't you do a little research before you know what I watch. I have read the bill, have you. Here is a quick breakdown of it and why people are so upset.
Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!
Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE t ...[text shortened]... er Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, and rationing those services!
answer my question.
right how there is 48m (not 47 sorry) americans without health insurance, the vast majority because they can't afford it. you're ok with that?
Originally posted by Chucklets37Recommended. Thanks for presenting the hard facts.
Why don't you do a little research before you know what I watch. I have read the bill, have you. Here is a quick breakdown of it and why people are so upset.
Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!
Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE t ...[text shortened]... er Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, and rationing those services!