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Originally posted by Chucklets37they have retracted that bill anyway so i guess we're arguing over nothing.
I can't afford health insurance either. But am I willing to give the government absolute control over my choices when it comes to that to have it?
No.
And look a little closer at what I posted. EVERY page and section that is broken down is there. If you think it is a lie or propoganda by all means get off your lazy butt and educate yourself by read ...[text shortened]... in Congress is forced to use this plan. They get to use whatever they want. You and I won't.
i do definitely think there should be some sort of free government run heath care available to everyone but also with the current system in place for those who want, can afford and who think private heath care would be a better option for them to be available.
i'm sure you would rather have that than have no insurance at all? what happens if you're in an accident and can't work for a couple of months?
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Originally posted by Attacking The Kingthey wouldn't be the same hospital, you have have government run free (well, nhs style) hospitals and separate private run hospitals for those who want to pay for shorter waiting lists etc.
If I am paying for health care I don't want to be stuck in some emergency waiting room because all the free loaders are getting care.
Maybe have mobile trailers they can go to? lol
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Originally posted by Chucklets37interesting, you say you've actually read the bill? forgive my question, but what right wing nutjob attack dog website did you down load that load of garbage from?
Why don't you do a little research before you know what I watch. I have read the bill, have you. Here is a quick breakdown of it and why people are so upset.
Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!
Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE t er Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, and rationing those services!
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd under most circumstances, principled statesmanship and effective leadership have little to do with anyone's quality of life.
Appearance, personality, wealth, macho behavior has nothing whatever to do with principled statesmanship and effective leadership.
Politics is the entertainment branch of (corporate) industry. We should elect Sarah Palin in 2012 for the lulz.
Originally posted by Chucklets37for the truth:
Why don't you do a little research before you know what I watch. I have read the bill, have you. Here is a quick breakdown of it and why people are so upset.
Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!
Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE t ...[text shortened]... er Mental Health Services, including defining, creating, and rationing those services!
http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1162-Debunking-Health-Care-Lies-by-Reading-the-Bill-
Originally posted by Chucklets37And look a little closer at what I posted.Originally posted by Chucklets37
I can't afford health insurance either. But am I willing to give the government absolute control over my choices when it comes to that to have it?
No.
And look a little closer at what I posted. EVERY page and section that is broken down is there. If you think it is a lie or propoganda by all means get off your lazy butt and educate yourself by read ...[text shortened]... in Congress is forced to use this plan. They get to use whatever they want. You and I won't.
i found it...
http://soundpolitics.com/public/2009/07/here_is_your_new_obama_govcare.html
the thingy going around in that viral email...
here is the website...
just from the tone it sets, this iz not the bill...
BUT,
this website, altho it is in favor of the bill, sets a tone for discussion of facts...
not histrionics...
http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1162-Debunking-Health-Care-Lies-by-Reading-the-Bill
as i read the bill, and the explanations on various websites, i don't find too much to be worried about...
i see many options listed in the bill...
the mandates folks are up in arms about i have not yet seen...
i am the sole employee of my lil dog and pony show...
i make just enuff to keep my truck running...
it would be nice to be able to afford insurance...
back to tha fighting...
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Originally posted by Chucklets37Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama go to heaven,
As someone else put it, "Dont't blame me, I voted for the American".
God addresses Al first. ''Al, what do you believe in?''
Al replies: "Well, I believe that I won that election,
but that it was your will that I did not serve.
And I've come to understand that now.''
God thinks for a second and says:
"Very good. Come and sit at my left.''
God then addresses Bill. "Bill, what do you believe in?''
Bill replies: "I believe in forgiveness.
I've sinned, but I've never held a
grudge against my fellow man,
and I hope no grudges are held against me.'' ;
God thinks for a second and says:
"You are forgiven, my son.. Come and sit at my right.''
Then God addresses Barrack. "Barrack, what do you believe in?''
He replies: "I believe you're in my chair."