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Originally posted by Very Rustyi disagree, Rusty. i think the OP seems to focus on immortality in this life, and it is certainly possible to have a discussion about that without bringing up spiritual / religious matters. what if, for example, you could take some pill to arrest the ageing process and keep you healthy indefinitely. would you take it?
Immortality.
Probably belonged in the Spirituality Forum! 😉
You just know that God is going to come into the conversation.
again, it was GB who insisted on foisting his religious views onto the thread, as he has done with so many others.
Originally posted by BlackampWell this is what you do disagree! 😛
i disagree, Rusty. i think the OP seems to focus on immorality in this life, and it is certainly possible to have a discussion about that without bringing up spiritual / religious matters. again, it was GB who insisted on foisting his religious views onto the thread, as he has done with so many others.
From thread name alone it should be there. Immortality is talking about living forever. An immortal being...so yea I would say God is going to enter the conversation.
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Originally posted by Very Rustyok, i'll try again. think about the pill i mentioned in my last post. you take the pill, and you don't age any further, and your health is maintained indefinitely. you can still be killed if you get hit by a car or jump off a cliff, and you can be murdered, but barring those things, your body will not wear out and you won't die of old age.
Well this is what you do disagree! 😛
From thread name alone it should be there. Immortality is talking about living forever. An immortal being...so yea I would say God is going to enter the conversation.
you can see, i hope, that we don't have to introduce God into the conversation to talk about such a scenario.
so the question is: would you take the pill? and do you expect that you would ever get sick of this life and want to end it?
edit: i guess you can read 'immortal' as being unable to die under any circumstances, but the OP seems to be more about 'would you continue to live if you could?'
Originally posted by BlackampTake it? I want to invest in it!
ok, i'll try again. think about the pill i mentioned in my last post. you take the pill, and you don't age any further, and your health is maintained indefinitely. you can still be killed if you get hit by a car or jump off a cliff, and you can be murdered, but barring those things, your body will not wear out and you won't die of old age.
you can see, ...[text shortened]... ke the pill? and do you expect that you would ever get sick of this life and want to end it?
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Originally posted by BlackampOh we are not allowed our ideas on Immortality.
ok, i'll try again. think about the pill i mentioned in my last post. you take the pill, and you don't age any further, and your health is maintained indefinitely. you can still be killed if you get hit by a car or jump off a cliff, and you can be murdered, but barring those things, your body will not wear out and you won't die of old age.
you can see, ke the pill? and do you expect that you would ever get sick of this life and want to end it?
Now it all becomes crystal clear! 😉
The pill thing is kind'a far fetched in my opinion. ( Science fiction )
Perhaps you would like to see the thread in the Science Forum then?
Anyways, time for me to get my butt to bed. Good Night All, Stay safe!
Originally posted by Very Rusty1. you can have your conception of immortality, but that is a discussion for the Spirituality forum. my point is that we can talk about choosing to live forever in this life without introducing religious / spiritual notions.
Oh we are not allowed our ideas on Immortality.
Now it all becomes crystal clear! 😉
The pill thing is kind'a far fetched in my opinion. ( Science fiction )
Perhaps you would like to see the thread in the Science Forum then?
Anyways, time for me to get my butt to bed. Good Night All, Stay safe!
2. it doesn't matter for the purposes of the thought experiment if the pill actually exists or not: the question is 'if the pill existed...'
3. the pill in question might not be science fiction for too much longer. there's a lot of research going on into arresting the ageing process, which has a lot to do with imperfect copying of DNA in cell regeneration - basically, biological issues that, in principle, can be solved. ageing is a disease we all have, but it need not be an incurable disease.
Originally posted by BlackampOne of your most lucid, least self serving posts in recent memory. And the answers are: He is; He has and will continue to do so;
perhaps, but if God is omnipotent, then He has the power to thwart the Devil. so, either he chooses not to, or He is not omnipotent.
no, it's already a fait accompli (but He's patient); academic logic courses and appreciation of conditional possibilities duly noted.
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyneither of those answers help.
He is; He has and will continue to do so;
no, it's already a fait accompli (but He's patient); academic logic courses and appreciation of conditional possibilities duly noted.
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He is; He has and will continue to do so;
if He is/has/will continue to thwart the devil, then explain the Holocaust and other evil. doesn't seem like much thwarting is going on, does it?
no, it's already a fait accompli (but He's patient);
if God is omnipotent, then He could choose to thwart the devil now, and in fact not allow evil ever. so again, either He chooses not to do so (and to allow evil), or he can't thwart the devil now. why not thwart evil now and prevent things like the Holocaust, rather than allow such things only to thwart evil later?
again, this kind of thing belongs in Spirituality, Spanky.
Originally posted by BlackampOn a personal note, I do regret our lack of an informed, shared frame of reference
neither of those answers help.
He is; He has and will continue to do so;
if He is/has/will continue to thwart the devil, then explain the Holocaust and other evil. doesn't seem like much thwarting is going on, does it?
no, it's already a fait accompli (but He's patient);
if God is omnipotent, then He could choose to thwart the de ...[text shortened]... s only to thwart evil later?
again, this kind of thing belongs in Spirituality, Spanky.
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyabject admission of defeat noted.
On a personal note, I do regret our lack of an informed, shared frame of reference
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edit: exactly what part of your 'frame of reference' am i not accommodating? normally i would just say that talk of God and the devil is off with the fairies, but my replies have accommodated this framework of yours. the problem is that your frame of reference includes insoluble logical inconsistencies.
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateI love this sentence.
[b]Can a vibrant life really have been distilled down to this?
Simply perfect. No, a vibrant life can not be distilled down to this. Maybe some let it happen. They get tired and quit living. Just existing. My step father is in his late 80's. still vibrant, still works on his Model A's and T's. He keeps his mind and body active. He will also sit down and drink a beer and shoot a game of pool with you.
I'd like to be like him.