IQ or Intelligence Quotient is tought to be a measure of intelligence.
The test is calibrated to be normally distributed around 100.
The standard test is thus centered around 100 (and mots accurate there) and can't determine anything below 70 or beyond 130 (at least not with a good level of certainity)
About 2% of people score below 70 and are deemed not intelligent enough to be ctried in a criminal court. These people can still live a "normal" live or be functional people.
There are test that are centered around 70 which determine the ranege of about 55 to 85 with a good level of accuracy.
About 2% score above 130. There are specialized testes (think MENSA) that center at 130. and determine the IQ in the range between 115 and 145 qith reasonable accuracy.
Children can also do the tests and their score ios fitted using a factor. This is the only "sound" way to score beyond 145.
Comparing IQ's of current or deceased geniuses (genius is the range 145+) makes no snese in any way (except if said people have done a controlled test as child and scored higher).
Chess ability and IQ do not correlate.
Chess is a lot about memeory (this is part of the IQ test) and mathematical thinking (also part ofthe IQ test) but all other fields in the IQ test are not considered.
The other question is if people are interested in chess. Without motivation they might score okay, but will never become grnadmasters, whiel a reasonable intelligent person can become grandmaster while not qualifying forthe MENSA club.
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IQ tests imo don't show intelligence, they show how good you are an a certain test. Like with all tests it's possible to study and achieve a better score than you would have otherwise, or in the case of IQ tests, just by doing a lot of them you become more familiar with the questions and better at the tests which results in a higher score.
Basically you can train your brain to do anything, it doesn't necessarily show intelligence.
@Ponderable saidI question the mathematical thinking - I'm really terrible at math, my worst subject at school. Could chess be a bit about a logical sense for space and time?
Chess ability and IQ do not correlate.
Chess is a lot about memeory (this is part of the IQ test) and mathematical thinking (also part ofthe IQ test) but all other fields in the IQ test are not considered.
The other question is if people are interested in chess. Without motivation they might score okay, but will never become grnadmasters, whiel a reasonable intelligent person can become grandmaster while not qualifying forthe MENSA club.
@A-Unique-Nickname saidOops you are right, it is a bit more compliocated, but actually beginning with IQ 69 and going down people are deemed not fully in control. They will be placed under supervision though. (At least in Germany, in other countries it is similar, in USA for example you need an IQ of 70 to be eligible for execution).
About 2% of people score below 70 and are deemed not intelligent enough to be ctried in a criminal court
In which country? What happens if they break the law? That can't be right.
@A-Unique-Nickname saidIndeed, to a certain degree. That is why the real tests are being not distributed. And in a real test it is timed. The idea is that you can't score higher than your actual IQ.
IQ tests imo don't show intelligence, they show how good you are an a certain test. Like with all tests it's possible to study and achieve a better score than you would have otherwise, or in the case of IQ tests, just by doing a lot of them you become more familiar with the questions and better at the tests which results in a higher score.
Basically you can train your brain to do anything, it doesn't necessarily show intelligence.
@Torunn
Indeed. On the other hand that is what math is about. Calculation is "just" a technique.
@Ponderable saidI think I might have been a decent chess player if I had taken it more seriously when I had the chance and the right age. There were a few years as 'lolof' when I played in tournaments and my mind was full of games and chess moves. That was many years ago though. 🙂
@Torunn
Indeed. On the other hand that is waht math is about. Calculation is "just" a technique.
@Ponderable saidGood thing I don't have 'specialized testes'.
IQ or Intelligence Quotient is tought to be a measure of intelligence.
The test is calibrated to be normally distributed around 100.
The standard test is thus centered around 100 (and mots accurate there) and can't determine anything below 70 or beyond 130 (at least not with a good level of certainity)
About 2% of people score below 70 and are deemed not intellig ...[text shortened]... no snese in any way (except if said people have done a controlled test as child and scored higher).
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@Ponderable
I don't see much point in quantifying intelligence. No one would think of taking a test and quantifying imagination, for example. But imagination was the key to Einstein's breakthrough ideas on relativity.
Drop a Nobel Prize winner and an Aborigine, naked, into the Outback, 300 miles from the next civilization, and come back 6 months later. Which one is more likely to be alive? Isn't that a valid 'test' of intelligence, too?
The invention and perfection of an art form is just as valid an indicator of intelligence. Chuck Berry, Duke Ellington, Robt. Johnson, Ella Fitzgerald, Ornette Coleman, Charlie Parker, Nina Simone, Marvin Gaye, Billie Holiday, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley, Stevie Wonder, Muddy Waters, Taj Mahal, Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong, Aretha Franklin, Roberta Flack, Ray Charles, James Brown, Little Richard -- there wouldn't be soul, rock n roll, blues, gospel, motown, or a whole lot of jazz, without those people.
@Torunn saidI am not great at math but good enough to get by. I have found time and space works, the more space the more mobile your pieces can be. I use to play too much in a cramped position. Playing players higher rated in the "Ghost Chamber", had taught me a lot. I have a bad habit of going back to the old ways, which I am working on. I've been told by the more elite players in the "Ghost Chamber", my game is improving since I started in there. I've taken a lot of thrashings, but have beaten a few I never could imagine I would have beaten and may never happen again, but I can at least say I beat them once. 🙂 Sometimes we forget it is just a game.
I question the mathematical thinking - I'm really terrible at math, my worst subject at school. Could chess be a bit about a logical sense for space and time?
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@Very-Rusty saidAnd since you have an IQ of a crumpet, that's good going.
I am not great at math but good enough to get by. I have found time and space works, the more space the more mobile your pieces can be. I use to play too much in a cramped position. Playing players higher rated in the "Ghost Chamber", had taught me a lot. I have a bad habit of going back to the old ways, which I am working on. I've been told by the more elite players in th ...[text shortened]... n again, but I can at least say I beat them once. 🙂 Sometimes we forget it is just a game.
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@Ponderable saidI'd like to know where one can find a legitimate IQ test to take. I've taken a few on the internet and (not surprisingly) the results have varied wildly.
IQ or Intelligence Quotient is tought to be a measure of intelligence.
The test is calibrated to be normally distributed around 100.
The standard test is thus centered around 100 (and mots accurate there) and can't determine anything below 70 or beyond 130 (at least not with a good level of certainity)
About 2% of people score below 70 and are deemed not intellig ...[text shortened]... no snese in any way (except if said people have done a controlled test as child and scored higher).