Originally posted by bbarr
I still don't understand, as your definition makes use of the very term to be defined. Please, no circular definitions.
A truly bbarrian answer ......
Talking about definitions and such can keep the truly important things far far away. You can escape from making choices in life.
If you want to get to know Him, You will have to meet Him. You'll have to read His books and you'll have to observe the creation He created ....
You will never get to know Him and know His Own "Definition" of who He really is using solely the method of reasoning and logic. The same way you would néver be able to get to know your wife by reasoning and using logic alone ......
Getting to know God is nót a theoretical project ....... It has everything to do with reality and you've seen in another thread that your (our) reason and logic do nót command reality ...
The next step to get to know God is to learn the lesson that God is not subjected to reality as you know and understand it .......
..... in other words you'll have to learn that God is not subjected to
us, human beings. Not yóu, but Hé is autonomous.
That means that if you want a relationship with God you will have to accept that He is your Lord and Master ...
You will have to get on your knees ..... for Him.
Originally posted by ivanhoeThat missed the point. If God is truly great, he should be able to convince us on our own ground. Evidently, He hasn't done this for 'theoretical reasoners', or at least those who apply such techniques to this issue.
A truly bbarrian answer ......
Talking about definitions and such can keep the truly important things far far away. You can escape from making choices in life.
If you want to get to know Him, You will have to meet Him. You'll have to read His books and you'll have to observe the creation He created ....
You will never get to know Him and kn ...[text shortened]... that He is your Lord and Master ...
You will have to get on your knees ..... for Him.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeIf God is not subject to reason, if he is not subject to laws of logic, then he cannot be an object of our knowledge. That is, we cannot think coherently about God. If we cannot think coherently about God, we cannot speak meaningfully about God. So, on your own view, we can't speak meaningfully about God. I wonder, then, why you continue to try to speak meaningfully about God?
A truly bbarrian answer ......
Talking about definitions and such can keep the truly important things far far away. You can escape from making choices in life.
If you want to get to know Him, You will have to meet Him. You'll h ...[text shortened]... r ...
You will have to get on your knees ..... for Him.
Just so you know, I also think the Divine is ineffable, which is why I tend to mock evangelicals and fundamentalists. It is also why I try to point out the inevitable defects in (well-meaning) attempts to prove that God exists or to describe God's nature. Literally, if you think that you know what God is like, if you think you can accurately describe God with concepts like Loving, Powerful, Eternal, etc., then you are an idolater. If you think your concepts apply accurately to God, you are worshipping some phantasm created by your own imagination.
Originally posted by royalchickenGOD gave us life.An existance apart from HIM or with HIM.If you ask give me a sign then that is a sympton you lack faith.There is no evidence.We build our faith by stop looking for hard facts and just believing.
That missed the point. If God is truly great, he should be able to convince us on our own ground. Evidently, He hasn't done this for 'theoretical reasoners', or at least those who apply such techniques to this issue.
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Originally posted by royalchicken
That missed the point. If God is truly great, he should be able to convince us on our own ground. Evidently, He hasn't done this for 'theoretical reasoners', or at least those who apply such techniques to this issue.
Royalchicken,
You do nót command Hím ..... not even in the way He chooses to get a relationship with you. He will néver convince you of anything at all in the way yóu want him to convince you. He has chosen Hís own way ....
You have not (yet) learned the lesson that Hé controls things, nót you.
Originally posted by bbarrThanks bbarr.Do you accept the big bang theory?If so what existed before that and what caused it?
If God is not subject to reason, if he is not subject to laws of logic, then he cannot be an object of our knowledge. That is, we cannot think coherently about God. If we cannot think coherently about God, we cannot speak meaningfully about God. So, on your own view, we can't speak meaningfully about God. I wonder, then, why you continue to try to speak m ...[text shortened]... ately describe God with concepts like Loving, Powerful, Eternal, etc., then you are an idolater.
Originally posted by missleadAlthough I think there was a Big-Bang, I don't think it brought everything into existence. That is, I don't think that it makes sense to say that at some point there was nothing and from out of it came something. I see no reason why the universe must have had a beginning.
Thanks bbarr.Do you accept the big bang theory?If so what existed before that and what caused it?