Originally posted by SuzianneYou are absolutely wrong. Just finished reading a story about Wayne. He'd take people he didn't even know that came to the set to lunch and sit w/ them and chat.
I'm with Drew.
Clint, all the way.
Sure, he's moody, but at least he'll talk to you. John Wayne is more the "talk AT you" type.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI saw that movie. Though the skilled direction from Eastwood was apparent, I was still pretty bored by it. Don' get me wrong, I like serious period-pieces (Schindler's List is an all-time great, IMO). But that movie came up lacking to me.
Clints movies were more interesting with more complex characters. Letters from Iwo Jima although not a western is a must see. Man reminds me of my old Nam days.
Clint makes better movies; that's not disputable. But as far as playing a wild-west character, I was wondering who people preferred. Clint's characters were grittier but, but didn't seem as natural as Wayne's. Wayne (as someone pointed out) seemed to be playing himself, which is why he seemed more natural. Clint always came across as trying to be gritty. His movies were still superior, but as far as just the characters, Wayne always seemed more likeable.
Again, I'm only referring to their wild-west characters; not other types of characters played in non-westerns.
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Originally posted by vivifyDid John Wayne seem more likeable because people and things were more black-white then? Either good or bad? And his characters were usually good perhaps?
I saw that movie. Though the skilled direction from Eastwood was apparent, I was still pretty bored by it. Don' get me wrong, I like serious period-pieces (Schindler's List is an all-time great, IMO). But that movie came up lacking to me.
Clint makes better movies; that's not disputable. But as far as playing a wild-west character, I was wondering wh ...[text shortened]... y referring to their wild-west characters; not other types of characters played in non-westerns.
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Originally posted by TorunnJohn Wayne still played tough, no-nonsense characters, but not to the villainous extent that Eastwood did. Still, that's not what made Wayne more likeable. I prefer more badass characters like Charles Bronson in "Death Wish", over good-guy cop characters. This is why I like Batman more than Superman. Really, it's all in the portrayal of the character. I (personally) didn't like Eastwood's old-west characters as much as Wayne's (Except for Pale Rider; I think by this point in his career, Eastwood perfected the old-west archetype, and far outdoes any cowboy-like character done by Wayne in that performance).
Did John Wayne seem more likeable because people and things were more black-white then? Either good or bad? And he was usually good perhaps?
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Originally posted by vivifyperiod pieces? you make it sound like a BBC costume drama! 😛 Its about as close to an 'art film' as Hollywood gets. For real arthouse Janus films are the people.
I saw that movie. Though the skilled direction from Eastwood was apparent, I was still pretty bored by it. Don' get me wrong, I like serious period-pieces (Schindler's List is an all-time great, IMO). But that movie came up lacking to me.
Clint makes better movies; that's not disputable. But as far as playing a wild-west character, I was wondering wh ...[text shortened]... y referring to their wild-west characters; not other types of characters played in non-westerns.
https://www.criterion.com/boxsets/305-essential-art-house-50-years-of-janus-films-50-dvd-box-set
Originally posted by wolfgang59I said earlier in the thread that Wayne played himself. He was naturally able to play tough characters.
I think that was him.
He didn't play anything.
For acting ability see his bit part in The Greatest Story Ever Told.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AejZxaYkekM
Again, the OP isn't about who's a better actor or who's been in the better movies. It's only about who you guys prefer for wild-west roles. But, given that Clint's a much better actor with more iconic movies, I guess I should've expected everyone to side with Clint.
Wayne tended to be cast as simpler, more clear-cut, characters than Eastwood.
Think of Eastwood's ambiguous character in "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" where you're never quite sure where he stands; whereas Eli Wallach's character is pretty easy to read, as is Lee Van Cleef's.
Wayne's part in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence" for example, was pretty straightforward, the chivalrous self-assured macho, nicely complimented by James Stewart's more torn character.
