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31 Jul 20
@hells-caretaker saidThe wife wanted revenge as we all would in similar circumstances.
If this gonna spoil yer day DON'T paste the link😒
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-53526102/pc-harper-trial-widow-disappointed-with-manslaughter-verdict
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That is not the goal of the justice system.
@wolfgang59 said🤷♂️ Blind panic to get away from the scene? I don't know the sound of a person bouncing behind a vehicle lassoedd by a cable sounds like😒
The wife wanted revenge as we all would in similar circumstances.
That is not the goal of the justice system.
The smiles.
😈 That image as they clamber into the van etc.
Plain wrong. [edit] NOT GOOD ENOUGH🚬
31 Jul 20
@wolfgang59 saidI don’t know the minutiae of this case but I guess it hinges on whether these thieves knew that they were towing a human being behind their car. As a car driver I find it hard to believe that on a quiet road in the dead of night you wouldn’t hear the screams or feel the drag on the steering.
The wife wanted revenge as we all would in similar circumstances.
That is not the goal of the justice system.
She’s asking for justice in terms of the trial, revenge would entail tying them to the back of a car and dragging them down the road.
31 Jul 20
@kevcvs57 saidI agree with this completely. I think they must have known and carried on.
I don’t know the minutiae of this case but I guess it hinges on whether these thieves knew that they were towing a human being behind their car. As a car driver I find it hard to believe that on a quiet road in the dead of night you wouldn’t hear the screams or feel the drag on the steering.
She’s asking for justice in terms of the trial, revenge would entail tying them to the back of a car and dragging them down the road.
It also plays into a different issue which probably belongs in debates, but I also have an issue about the idea that if you are driving recklessly in a way that could endanger life, you are knowingly choosing to do that and you are doing that because you have decided to commit a crime, why doesn't the law see a killing that results from that as murder anyway?
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31 Jul 20
@wolfgang59 saidWhat about karma? 🤔
The wife wanted revenge as we all would in similar circumstances.
That is not the goal of the justice system.
@hells-caretaker saidI didn't want to spoil my day so didn't look! 🙂
If this gonna spoil yer day DON'T paste the link😒
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-53526102/pc-harper-trial-widow-disappointed-with-manslaughter-verdict
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31 Jul 20
@petewxyz saidI agree and I think it’s a problem with legal definitions around motive and intent. We could leave the definitions as they are but give much more leeway on sentencing. Death by dangerous driving is premeditated by definition and it’s the same with drunk driving, the sentencing authority should have access to the range of sentencing options that apply to premeditated murder.
I agree with this completely. I think they must have known and carried on.
It also plays into a different issue which probably belongs in debates, but I also have an issue about the idea that if you are driving recklessly in a way that could endanger life, you are knowingly choosing to do that and you are doing that because you have decided to commit a crime, why doesn't the law see a killing that results from that as murder anyway?
N.B one of the men responsible for the death of the PC has been sentenced to 16yrs so probably out in 8 - 10 years, he’ll be under 30 when he comes out and at liberty to do all the stuff that his victim will never get to do, it’s stomach churning and leaves society with less protection than it deserves.
04 Aug 20
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In fact the justice System will Always lack since there are humans, but all in all I think the Systems (in Europe) work quite well. There will be veridcts which we don't understand, and somwtimes they seem to be just wrong, but if we carefully read what the Judges say it makes sens more often than not.
Plus there is Always a higher court if something blatant happens.