Originally posted by Freddie2004According to the news report he was wrestled to the ground and then shot 5 times. If he had explosives strapped to him then shooting him in the chest probably wasn't the brightest idea. Also note that they were in plain clothes. If they had him down then he couldn't detonate any explosives as long as they had his arms pinned - if it was on a timer then shooting him wouldn't have helped anyway. So, whatever the guy may or may not have done I think that this counts as murder.
apparently he was running through the tube station, being chased by undercover police men, he vaulted the barrier and after a chase down the escalator he was shot as he was getting onto the tube. clearly the police did the right thing; this man was refusing to stop and ignoring police who were carrying firearms. Although why they shot at his chest i don ...[text shortened]... han the head but if he was carrying explosives then that could have been very dangerous.
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A witness report:
From the BBC site
Mark Whitby said: "I was sitting on the train... I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'.
"I saw an Asian guy. He ran on to the train, he was hotly pursued by three plain clothes officers, one of them was wielding a black handgun.
"He half tripped... they pushed him to the floor and basically unloaded five shots into him," he told BBC News 24.
Sounds awfully strange, I'm curious about the official explanation for the need to execute him.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtwe werent there, we dont know. better to be safe than sorry. 😉
According to the news report he was wrestled to the ground and [b]then shot 5 times. If he had explosives strapped to him then shooting him in the chest probably wasn't the brightest idea. Also note that they were in plain clothes. If they had him down then he couldn't detonate any explosives as long as they had his arms pinned - if it was on a ...[text shortened]... elped anyway. So, whatever the guy may or may not have done I think that this counts as murder.[/b]
Just think, and lets assume for this post; that he was guilty of attempting an act of terrorism.
So instead of shooting him, they arrest him.
So for the next how ever many years he then gets -
Free usage of libraries,snooker tables,accorded ethnic rights contrary to prison ruling, access to telephones etc.... oh I nearly forgot........ and a free christmas dinner !
Not a bad deal when you weigh it all up really !!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by dale21I don't want to live in a country with lots of trigger happy policemen. There's no excuse for this type of thing. They can only shoot if they have reasonable grounds to believe that an individual poses a risk to the public or to themselves. Once he had been subdued they couldn't shoot - also I think that shooting more than one shot is outside their rules of engagement. Besides, they're going to have a job questionning him now aren't they.
we werent there, we dont know. better to be safe than sorry. 😉
Originally posted by DeepThoughtnot if they string him up like a puppet. i agree with what your saying, trigger happy is not good. they must have had reasonable evidence to believe he posed a risk. we dont know all the ins and outs. inteligence etc.
I don't want to live in a country with lots of trigger happy policemen. There's no excuse for this type of thing. They can only shoot if they have reasonable grounds to believe that an individual poses a risk to the public or to themselves. Once he had been subdued they couldn't shoot - also I think that shooting more than one shot is outside their rules of engagement. Besides, they're going to have a job questionning him now aren't they.
Originally posted by dale21Also you will note that the two people they arrested at gunpoint yesterday were released without charge.
not if they string him up like a puppet. i agree with what your saying, trigger happy is not good. they must have had reasonable evidence to believe he posed a risk. we dont know all the ins and outs. inteligence etc.
Originally posted by DeepThoughteasy to say when it's not you putting your life on the line to protect Londoners. who knows, maybe he could detonate a bomb by squeezing his ar$e cheeks. anyway, there were many lives at risk, including those of the police themselves. other eyewitnesses say there were wires visibly protruding from his clothing.
According to the news report he was wrestled to the ground and [b]then shot 5 times. If he had explosives strapped to him then shooting him in the chest probably wasn't the brightest idea. Also note that they were in plain clothes. If they had him down then he couldn't detonate any explosives as long as they had his arms pinned - if it was on a ...[text shortened]... elped anyway. So, whatever the guy may or may not have done I think that this counts as murder.[/b]
Originally posted by dale21The two arrested outside UCH were released without charge, as was the man arrested in Whitehall and the man arrested at Tottenham Court Rd. So 4 out of 4. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703853.stm
2 out of 4
Also my MP - Kate Hoey - has praised the police so I think I'll have to write her a letter. Also Muslim leaders are concerned about a shoot to kill policy. If this is allowed then all of a sudden we could find ourselves in a situation where the police can shoot on suspicion. The person they shot is now denied a trial - in which he may have been able to refute the state's attempts to prove that he had anything to do with the bombings. Maybe he was a terrorist, but they've also lost any intellegence that he could have provided them with.
The suicide bombers on the 7th killed 50 people, the ones yesterday could have killed a similar number, except that it appears that their explosives expert wasn't very good. The state is capable of carnage on a much wider scale - they've killed around 100,000 civilians in Iraq, already up to half the number Saddam Hussain killed - but he took 20 years over it. They have copious numbers of weapons and should not be allowed to use them on their own people. This is not the kind of behaviour that we should tolerate from the authorities if you like living in a relatively free country.