Originally posted by PhlabibitFor some reason i was thinking about two clutch pedals....i'm a manual man myself, the difference between manual and automatic is like the difference between a razor blade and an electric razor....just isn't as satisfying.
Whoa, reading that page just blew my views about shifting. I guess this has little to do with over-automation, just how the gears are shifted.
You still shift, but the computer and engine is helping you ram into gear by timing the gears for you.
I've got no problems with this shifting process... Sorry I flamed you Twin Clutch!
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundMy father has some sort of Cadillac Suv/Sport I drive when I'm taking care of his dog, and it has the option to shift Auto when you put it in Drive...
For some reason i was thinking about two clutch pedals....i'm a manual man myself, the difference between manual and automatic is like the difference between a razor blade and an electric razor....just isn't as satisfying.
... or you slide the stick right from Neutral I believe to a track that gives you the option to shift up or down. I drive like that near intersections, in town, or when tooling around but also like the option of just putting it in auto-mode when driving a distance or needing to clean up some drool the dog just left on my head, ear, neck, and shoulder.
190 pounds of English Mastiff if you're wondering where all the drool came from.
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI have come to despise the stick shift and the clutch. I like having a hand free.
For some reason i was thinking about two clutch pedals....i'm a manual man myself, the difference between manual and automatic is like the difference between a razor blade and an electric razor....just isn't as satisfying.
Originally posted by PhlabibitSee, there's still one problem I have though, there's no clutch pedal (I don't think - at least there aren't on the M5's and DB9's with paddle shifters that I've seen) which is a very important aspect, IMO - I guess it's ok, but I'd miss that awesome feeling you have when you slam the clutch in and shift.
Whoa, reading that page just blew my views about shifting. I guess this has little to do with over-automation, just how the gears are shifted.
You still shift, but the computer and engine is helping you ram into gear by timing the gears for you.
I've got no problems with this shifting process... Sorry I flamed you Twin Clutch!
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Originally posted by cmsMasterBut the clutch wont become obsolete in our life time. Critics would rip car manufacturers to pieces if that was the case. There are only a few performance cars that have the flappy panel gear box, even though they are trying to introduce to convential cars.
See, there's still one problem I have though, there's no clutch pedal (I don't think - at least there aren't on the M5's and DB9's with paddle shifters that I've seen) which is a very important aspect, IMO - I guess it's ok, but I'd miss that awesome feeling you have when you slam the clutch in and shift.
Not everyones cup of tea to be honest, its like auto and manual, its all down to preference, a large market place will stay away from the flappy panels.
It is a good thread really! 😛😀
Originally posted by rmackenI think a lot of high-end cars have these paddle-boxes, like I said Aston Martin's, M5's, Ferrari's, etc. And most lower end cars have added the "S" setting with shifters on the wheel, and with the lack of knowledge that the typical car buyer has I wouldn't be surprised to see these things catch on even more. But I think you're right, there will probably always be enough demand for a true clutch to keep manuals around for a long time.
But the clutch wont become obsolete in our life time. Critics would rip car manufacturers to pieces if that was the case. There are only a few performance cars that have the flappy panel gear box, even though they are trying to introduce to convential cars.
Not everyones cup of tea to be honest, its like auto and manual, its all down to preference, a large market place will stay away from the flappy panels.
It is a good thread really! 😛😀
Originally posted by cmsMasterYou can actually drive a standard shift transmission without a clutch at all, if you can hear the sychronizers and watching the RPM's. If you miss, it gets pretty ugly, and it isn't recommended for super high speed, but once you get the feel for it, you can shift pretty cleanly and without grinding the gears.
I think a lot of high-end cars have these paddle-boxes, like I said Aston Martin's, M5's, Ferrari's, etc. And most lower end cars have added the "S" setting with shifters on the wheel, and with the lack of knowledge that the typical car buyer has I wouldn't be surprised to see these things catch on even more. But I think you're right, there will probably always be enough demand for a true clutch to keep manuals around for a long time.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungMaybe youre a bit soft. Manual transmisssions are for real men that know how the drive. 😉 (Just trying to rile you up). I have Nissan deisel pickup with 5 forward manual transmission. Its fun to drive.
I have come to despise the stick shift and the clutch. I like having a hand free.
Originally posted by shortcircuitI've heard of clutchless shifting, sounds very difficult though - and I'm probably not skilled enough to do it yet. So all you have to do is listen for the gears to mesh and throw it, though? I'm really interested in trying this, I'm a valet, so if any people piss me off with a stick shift I could always get some practice. 😛
You can actually drive a standard shift transmission without a clutch at all, if you can hear the sychronizers and watching the RPM's. If you miss, it gets pretty ugly, and it isn't recommended for super high speed, but once you get the feel for it, you can shift pretty cleanly and without grinding the gears.
Originally posted by cmsMasterYeah, you need to listen to the RPM levels when you are clutch shifting. You can actually "feel" the sychronizers align and you can ease your stick into the next gear. If you are off a bit on the sychronizers, it will grind, but if you are right on it, it will shift as smoothly as if you had engaged the clutch. I have driven big rigs that way. Make sure the customer doesn't know you if you are experimenting with their cars. LOL
I've heard of clutchless shifting, sounds very difficult though - and I'm probably not skilled enough to do it yet. So all you have to do is listen for the gears to mesh and throw it, though? I'm really interested in trying this, I'm a valet, so if any people piss me off with a stick shift I could always get some practice. 😛