Omaha hand strength

Originally posted by trev33
Meh. btw i went out at #104 from over 5k entrants... some dude called for about 3/4 of his stack on a straight draw on the river in hold'em and got lucky. Go figure.

There's 4 1/2 hours i'm never getting back... like i was going to do anything with them today anyway 😞

There are way too many idiots playing online.
Also, online games are juiced as well.

And, as I am sure that you are aware, there is a day and night difference in how you
play in a tournament versus a cash game.

Regardless, you hung in pretty well.
To give you a comparison though,
when I played the Omaha H/L satellite in LV a couple months ago, there were 104
entrants. I finished 13th on a horrible suck out, after having played for nearly 9
straight hours. Granted, my buy in was $240 US which was probably way more than
yours was, so you would expect the caliber of play to be better in the tourney I was in.

Plus, you were playing in a mixed game, and there are a bunch players who don't
play all of the games well, so that creates more stupid calls as well.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
There are way too many idiots playing online.
Also, online games are juiced as well.

And, as I am sure that you are aware, there is a day and night difference in how you
play in a tournament versus a cash game.

Regardless, you hung in pretty well.
To give you a comparison though,
when I played the Omaha H/L satellite in LV a couple months ago ...[text shortened]... bunch players who don't
play all of the games well, so that creates more stupid calls as well.

I've made a nice little profit playing the idiots online at hold'em (mostly pot limit or limit) and 2-7 one card draw over the years... have mostly become the idiot and gone and wasted it on Omaha and Omaha Hi/Lo though.

Im convinced they're juiced, the things i've seen online go beyond all rational possibility in a live game. They (the poker sites) keep saying it's because of the increased number of hands people see online and advanced shuffling techniques which is total BS. I rarely play online cash games for that reason, if i suck out on the ridiculous in a $5 or $10 tournament it's not the end of the world.

How do you hold your nerve in the back end of a tournament? so many times i've gotten into the last 5% or so of players but never been able except for a few lowish entry tournaments to reach the 'real' money at the end.

Originally posted by trev33
I've made a nice little profit playing the idiots online at hold'em (mostly pot limit or limit) and 2-7 one card draw over the years... have mostly become the idiot and gone and wasted it on Omaha and Omaha Hi/Lo though.

Im convinced they're juiced, the things i've seen online go beyond all rational possibility in a live game. They (the poker sites) keep s ...[text shortened]... en able except for a few lowish entry tournaments to reach the 'real' money at the end.

It is all about patience. getting your money in on hands that you have a great chance of winning,
rather than pushing on hands that you might win.
It is dodging the all in calls when you don't have the nuts, although you may have the best hand at the time.
You can't lose what you don't put into the pot.
This mentality is the opposite of what the "young guns" utilize today...that of ultra aggressive play.
If you are playing live, then your ability to read your opponent is huge.
Online, that is a crap shoot at best.
If you want to win overall, you play tight until you are in the money, then you loosen up
more and more as players are knocked out, and as your stack and the blinds dictate.

I guarantee you the online games are juiced. In the cash games, dealing juiced hands
generates rake for the operator by causing more vigorous betting.
In the tournaments, it causes more aggressive play which ends tournaments more quickly.
This frees up the online tables faster to host more games.
It isn't cheating because they aren't necessarily shipping the goods to any player
in particular, but it is a juiced outcome as far as average winning hands go.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
It is all about patience. getting your money in on hands that you have a great chance of winning,
rather than pushing on hands that you might win.
It is dodging the all in calls when you don't have the nuts, although you may have the best hand at the time.
You can't lose what you don't put into the pot.
This mentality is the opposite of what the "yo ...[text shortened]... any player
in particular, but it is a juiced outcome as far as average winning hands go.

That's usually how i play, quite tight until the money and then loosen up, i don't know if i just haven't had that little piece of luck needed to get a good placing in the final table or i'm playing too tight at the beginning of the tournament which requires me to gamble a little too much when the blinds start increasing. I find it a lot harder to steal blinds online than in live play, haven't played a live game for around a year though. My favorite play is a minimum raise when you're first or second to act with mid suited connectors, more often than not people suspect you've got a good hand, when you hit the flop and start slow playing - paid. Might be more of a cash game ploy, i just can't resist it though.

Originally posted by trev33
That's usually how i play, quite tight until the money and then loosen up, i don't know if i just haven't had that little piece of luck needed to get a good placing in the final table or i'm playing too tight at the beginning of the tournament which requires me to gamble a little too much when the blinds start increasing. I find it a lot harder to steal blind ...[text shortened]... t slow playing - paid. Might be more of a cash game ploy, i just can't resist it though.

That is a Daniel Negraenu Hold'em play.
Daniel reads players extremely well, but he gets smacked alot too.