Originally posted by shavixmirAccording to one of your other posts (worthless rants) you're actually looking for a job in England. What a hypocrytical wanker you are
After what the English done to the Irish, the Welsh and the Scots, it's no small wonder that petty hatreds raise their ugly heads during sporting occasions. I think it's pretty lenient that it's really only during sport that it does become apparant.
I mean, as short a time ago as the 80's Thatcher (who had very, very little support in Scotland) ...[text shortened]... nemy is. Not the English, but England as an institution!
Hasta la victoria Siempre!
Originally posted by Daemon SinMy friend, you are apparently rather obtuse, but I won't hold it against you. It's not your fault, but that of your inferior genes (see above).
I'm calling [b]you racist you moron.
Funnily enough, and contrary ego may have you believe you aren't the rest of the world. So, if you can get down from your narcissistic high-horse for a second, remove your head from it's deep insertion up your own arse and stop the verbal diarrhoea of your deluded opinions on international politics....
...[text shortened]... ss threads and posts about how much you hate and dispise the English, than what else is it?[/b]
No, seriously, though. You betray a siege mentality typical of the less bright in your country. Interesting as it is, you are clearly delusional.
Nowhere have I written about a hatred for the English, but only about a poor and over-rated team. You invented all the rest. Indeed, you have entirely misunderstood. Perhaps try and separate criticism of your football team and all surrounding issues and a hatred for your race. Do you think you might be able to manage that? Do try, anyway, old bean.
Originally posted by duckeggObviously you didn't read my post careful enough.
According to one of your other posts (worthless rants) you're actually looking for a job in England. What a hypocrytical wanker you are
Perhaps you should take one of your chill pills, flip back a page and see what I actually wrote?
Mhmmm...?
Originally posted by shavixmirIt is impossible to say "absolutely not" to this statement strongly enough to do it justice. Shav, that's just plain wrong. In all the years I've been in England and all the people I've met, none supported Protestant terrorism against Catholics, not one bit, not one jot. I've never heard even the slightest preference for Protestant violence over Catholic violence and everybody hated Ian Paisley just as much as Gerry Adams though Gerry Adams would have come out better if he didn't openly support killing people at the time.
As short a period ago as 10 years (!), the English were fully supporting protestant terrorism against Catholics in Northern Ireland.
Nobody I knew ever thought anything other than we have made a right pigs ear of that land and despair at just how to put it right.
On to the main post which is now just becoming tiresome and does seem to show that sjeg has got some personal issues to deal with. The Italian press may well have called the match against Portugal tedious (I know that I did) but they then do not go on and on about it for days and continually saying that everyone hates the English.
I have seen German press cuttings praising the English players more than I have, I've seen Norwegian news reels saying how unlucky England where (despite the fact that I don't think they were) and I've even seen English news reports saying that England did not perform.
While not entirely on your own sjeg, the rest of the world is not with you. The rest of the world seems able to treat England as just another country with people in it, some of whom are nice and some of whom are not. For some reason you are not able to do this.
I can't really see the point in getting involved in yet another thread like this and if it hadn't been for Shav, I wouldn't have.
Originally posted by sjegNot only do I find it incredibly ironic that, considering my parents nationalities, you've just made a degrading comment about Irish genes AND that you're just tried to defend my accusations of racism with a racist comment, but now you're trying to project your own inability to seperate your hatred issues from the world around you?
My friend, you are apparently rather obtuse, but I won't hold it against you. It's not your fault, but that of your inferior genes (see above).
No, seriously, though. You betray a siege mentality typical of the less bright in your country. Interesting as it is, you are clearly delusional.
Nowhere have I written about a hatred for the English, but only abo ...[text shortened]... hatred for your race. Do you think you might be able to manage that? Do try, anyway, old bean.
You're a very sad, twisted individual and I pity you for living in the hate-filled dellusions that you create.
Shame England are out of the World Cup though, you'll have to find another outlet for your pent up racism. Maybe you can use the Tennis to get at them instead.
Originally posted by WheelyYou can't just take that one piece of sentence out of the whole post, because then the term "The English" comes to mean the English people, instead of, as is later explained "English institutions".
It is impossible to say "absolutely not" to this statement strongly enough to do it justice. Shav, that's just plain wrong. In all the years I've been in England and all the people I've met, none supported Protestant terrorism against Catholics, not one bit, not one jot. I've never heard even the slightest preference for Protestant violence over Catholic vi ...[text shortened]... ed in yet another thread like this and if it hadn't been for Shav, I wouldn't have.
Originally posted by shavixmirIt is true that it is unfair that I took that phrase out of context but to be honest, I was very surprised to find myself slightly offended by it and unwisely just reacted to that sentence without reading further. Apologies.
You can't just take that one piece of sentence out of the whole post, because then the term "The English" comes to mean the English people, instead of, as is later explained "English institutions".
I am not easily offended and am surprised I was.
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Originally posted by sjeg
Just in case anyone were thinking of forgetting the recent debacle, here's a new topic.
etc etc.
Racist threads should be in the debates forum.
Not only are they boring, they are usually part, if not all, untrue.
I wonder why you despise the English as much as you obviously do; you couldn't possibly hate the English politicians as much as the English themselves do.
Originally posted by WheelyCool beans!
It is true that it is unfair that I took that phrase out of context but to be honest, I was very surprised to find myself slightly offended by it and unwisely just reacted to that sentence without reading further. Apologies.
I am not easily offended and am surprised I was.
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Originally posted by StarrmanLooking at how some people reacted here, I understand why you feel that way. However, reality is quite different as I've experienced in 2004.
Clarification: The support of football, not the game in itself, has become tantamount to patriotism (in league football, this is obviously a smaller tribal version rather than a national one), a notion which I personally find revolting.
I'm pretty sure most people separate patriotism from football. Why I support Portugal has nothing to do with a loving a country because I feel it is superior, but merely with acknowledging my roots and celebrating it in a sporting event. Like a child loves a parent for more than his intrinsic qualities, I too love my country because it is a part of me.
I celebrated our victory over England in 2004 with English fans, sharing gifts in form of pints with smiles and no love lost. I also congratulated my Greek friends when we lost in the finals. It's a game, to wish that my team wins has nothing to do with wishing someone else's defeat. That is the detail that changes all, in my opinion.
Originally posted by PalynkaNice post. Cheers!
Looking at how some people reacted here, I understand why you feel that way. However, reality is quite different as I've experienced in 2004.
I'm pretty sure most people separatate patriotism from football. Why I support Portugal has nothing to do with a loving a country because I feel it is superior, but merely with acknowledging my roots and celebrating ...[text shortened]... o do with wishing someone else's defeat. That is the detail that changes all, in my opinion.
Originally posted by PalynkaI still disagree. I'm not necessarily talking about people's posts here, but the trend in everyday life towards football. I only have to look at the aftermath of Saturday's football in the area we were in to know you are wong. As I drove home from the cricket match I was playing in, I passed several pubs at which two had police officers outside and another one actually had a fight in progress. These in areas which would not normally be considered violent. I also have a Portuguese friend who was spat on at the weekend.
Looking at how some people reacted here, I understand why you feel that way. However, reality is quite different as I've experienced in 2004.
I'm pretty sure most people separatate patriotism from football. Why I support Portugal has nothing to do with a loving a country because I feel it is superior, but merely with acknowledging my roots and celebrating ...[text shortened]... o do with wishing someone else's defeat. That is the detail that changes all, in my opinion.
I wish I could credit people with enough intelligence to seperate football from patriotism, but from my experience I see people put more into football than they do their country anyway; masquerading their investment as national support. I have yet to see anything about football support which encourages the good in people and in many cases what I see is an increase in racial tension, violent behaviour and falling moral standards.
Originally posted by StarrmanYou should have come here to Portugal in 2004.
I still disagree. I'm not necessarily talking about people's posts here, but the trend in everyday life towards football. I only have to look at the aftermath of Saturday's football in the area we were in to know you are wong. As I drove home from the cricket match I was playing in, I passed several pubs at which two had police officers outside and anoth ...[text shortened]... s what I see is an increase in racial tension, violent behaviour and falling moral standards.
After England's elimination there were English people on the streets partying with the Portuguese. Quite a lot of them, actually. These are the 'true' football fans if you ask me. People who love the game so much they travelled from their country to watch the event. You know what? I bet they had a much lower dosage of English The Sun type media during that time, as well.
As for putting more into football than their country, well, I give you the example of Angola. It's a country ravaged by civil war and still before the match many people got their savings together to buy television sets to watch the game. It was so much, that the local power company was afraid of power shortages during the matches due to excess demand. This created a national social movement that led to the company providing guarantees that this wouldn't happen. You should have seen this country partying after the draw with Mexico. A country that knew civil war for decades again united in smiles of celebration.
So what if the money the spent on tvs should have been put to more "rational" (?) uses? Isn't happiness important? Isn't the feeling of joy and unity worth it? Was the money spent on the tv wasted? I don't think it was.
It's interesting that many of my anti-capitalist friends are against spending money in football and not investing it. What is the goal after all for them? Happiness or maximum growth?