Originally posted by rookie54"so, are you here az a teacher, or a foil???"
since you asked...
i'll tell ya...
all of life iz suffering...
there iz NO escape...
from tha moment a human iz born, he/she iz on a forced march to hiz/her grave...
the only thingy, the [b]ONLY thingy that allows relief from this relentless torture of tha body and soul iz desire...
do you wish to be happy???
then it iz so...
it really i ...[text shortened]... lready understand this...
so,
are you here az a teacher, or a foil???
rookie
rookie[/b]
Just an ordinary Lad from Boston (saved by grace, sure as hell not any better than anybody else but maybe better off) here as your friend.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyNot sure, but I would take a stab at saying low self esteem either comes from not getting the right person to help complete your life, or of course getting the wrong one over and over again and then wondering whether it is yourself that is wrong or the other person and finally landing on yourself even though you know it was the other person that was at fault.
Low self esteem the cause or the result of the sad life condition and daily behavior of unhappy people?
Edit: First things first, Chucklets... a warm welcome to RHP.
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Classic textbook pyschology. We all want what we can't have, and when we do get it, it never fits. I guess that is why you have to find the mediocre looking woman that has a half a brain and can cook. Those hot women are stupid and can burn water, I know.
edit: and thanks for the welcome
The sleeve notes to Lewis Wolperts 'Malignant Sadness' says
'We all have feelings of being low, but how do they relate to the disabling depression that will affect one in ten of us? Is depression a question of genetics, bad parental care, or distressing life events?
Several years ago Lewis Wolpert had a severe depressive episode. Despite a happy marriage and a successful scientific career, he could think only of suicide. When eventually he did recover, he became aware of the stigma attached to depression and just how difficult it was to get reliable information. With characteristic candour and determination, he has set about tackling these problems.
This is the first book to present in accessible terms what scientists and psychiatrists know about the subject. Professor wolpert looks at the possible causes, and at the two main ways of understanding depression - the biological and the psychological. In his view, depression is a normal emotion become, a kind of 'malignant sadness'. He explores how various cultures experience depression in very different ways and assesses known treatments and cures (drugs, therapy, ECT) Finally, he asks whether depression can be avoided alltogether.'
He's pretty smart but by the end of the book he still hadnt explained why one in ten people go through parts of their lives wishing they were dead and so on. Dont know if this answers your question, but I do know that telling a depressed person to cheer up is a bit like telling someone in a wheel chair to just walk to the fridge and get you a beer. There again there is a well known phenomenon of hating on people who are doing well, how you tell the difference I dont know to be honest.
Originally posted by Chucklets37Appreciate your unjaundiced, penetrating, unselfconscious and fresh point of view. Keep on posting, Chucklets. Pleased you're here.
Not sure, but I would take a stab at saying low self esteem either comes from not getting the right person to help complete your life, or of course getting the wrong one over and over again and then wondering whether it is yourself that is wrong or the other person and finally landing on yourself even though you know it was the other person that was at f ...[text shortened]... ook. Those hot women are stupid and can burn water, I know.
edit: and thanks for the welcome
Originally posted by ewan poveyWelcome to RHP, Ewan. Enjoyed reading your honest comments in assessing Wolpert's foray into the dark night of "Malignant Sadness".
The sleeve notes to Lewis Wolperts 'Malignant Sadness' says
'We all have feelings of being low, but how do they relate to the disabling depression that will affect one in ten of us? Is depression a question of genetics, bad parental care, or distressing life events?
Several years ago Lewis Wolpert had a severe depressive episode. Despite a happy mar ating on people who are doing well, how you tell the difference I dont know to be honest.
Originally posted by ewan poveyYour comment brings to mind Winston Churchill's charge to the British Troops the evening before Normandy, "Gentleman, it is not always good enough to do one's best. There are times one must do what is required." All of us have the option of cursing the darkness or lighting a candle.
Thank you sir. One does ones best to say something worthwhile.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOf course churchill was almost certainly a manic depressive and probably said that when he was 'up'. at other times he would have said to himself 'Sod the war, I need a drink.' By all acounts he said that quite often. I guess the slight problem I have with what you are saying is that a depressed person is about as likely to use said candle to heat a small piece of metal that they then use to burn the words 'I want to die' on their arm. I dont want to bring you down but for some people positive thinking isnt enough. Being positive obviously works for you and I wouldnt want to stop you thinking that way. I guess what made churchill such a great war leader was that his own mind state made him like an avatar for the nations mood swings of elation and despair, churchill the great adventurist that the tory establishment so mistrusted was the man for the hour. However for every manic depressive that makes their mark on history there are ten that suffer without the glory. For many people with mood disorders, brushing their teeth is an act of heroism and that desire to just let ones teeth rot doesnt go away even if they win the lottery. I guess you can see how people in that situation can find a blythe optimism a little anoying. Not that Im arguing optimism is the wrong attitude. Not at all, regaining a decent amount of optimism is crucial in recovery, Im just saying that just saying it to a depressed person doesnt make it so. Do you see what I mean?
Your comment brings to mind Winston Churchill's charge to the British Troops the evening before Normandy, "Gentleman, it is not always good enough to do one's best. There are times one must do what is required." All of us have the option of cursing the darkness or lighting a candle.