Post engine match results here

Originally posted by flexmore
please show 🙂

EDIT: Pineapple, engine analysing a game in progress is always going to be bad. Don't do it. Fullstop. If you want to check so badly then resign the game. Otherwise you can wait.[/b]

In my hypothetical story above, all the games would have been resigned but's it's quite possible I could also have been asked to play on.

However I have noted comments above and this hypothetical scenario is never likely to happen.

when you do the analysis, and there are no other suggestions from fritz in brackets.. is that what is then considered a match?
I find if I go back and play those games, and when it comes to the spot where they have another line, if I click on Help-Suggestion.. it doesn't always suggest the same move? so.. thats why I'm confused on what is considered a match.

Originally posted by MIODude
when you do the analysis, and there are no other suggestions from fritz in brackets.. is that what is then considered a match?
I find if I go back and play those games, and when it comes to the spot where they have another line, if I click on Help-Suggestion.. it doesn't always suggest the same move? so.. thats why I'm confused on what is considered a match.

Originally posted by flexmore
it seems that for the moves 14 to 48, you made 35 move choices ... 7 of those were different from fritzies choice ... you matched fritz8 on 28/35 = 80% of moves.

(i presume the three dots at move 14 indicate that fritz is moving out of book, of course your internet search opening book might be a little bigger than fritzes book )

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
This is a horrible idea. That said:

[White "arrakis"]
[Black "XanthosNZ"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B75"]
[Annotator "Fritz 8 (60s)"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[TimeControl "300"]

{B75: Sicilian Dragon: Yugoslav Attack, Miscellaneous} 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4
cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O Bd7 10. g4 Rc8 11. ...[text shortened]... 4 c2 55. Kxd5 Qb6 56. Kc4 c1=Q+ 57. Kd3 Qbe3🙄 0-1

A64 3500+ 1GB RAM analysing only my moves.

flexmore - since you started this thread, figured you wouldn't mind me posting our game.. not meaning anything.. but curious if your analysis comes out the same..

1G Duron - 384MB Ram. Fritz 8.


[Event "Siege-1263829"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.08.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "flexmore"]
[Black "MIODude"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[Annotator "Fritz 8 (25s)"]
[PlyCount "133"]
[EventType "corr"]

D00: 1 d4 d5: Unusual lines
1.d2-d4 d7-d5 2.Bc1-f4 e7-e6 3.e2-e3 Ng8-f6 last book move 4.Bf1-d3 Bf8-d6 5.Ng1-e2 [5.Bf4-e5 c7-c5=] 5...0-0 6.Nb1-d2 [6.0-0 Nb8-c6=] 6...Rf8-e8 [6...Nb8-c6 7.Bf4xd6 Qd8xd6 8.c2-c3=] 7.Bf4xd6 [7.0-0 c7-c5 8.c2-c3 e6-e5 9.d4xe5 Bd6xe5 10.Bf4xe5 Re8xe5=] 7...Qd8xd6= 8.h2-h3 Consolidates g4 [8.Ne2-g3 e6-e5 9.0-0 Bc8-g4=] 8...Nb8-c6 [8...e6-e5 9.c2-c3³] 9.a2-a3 Secures b4 [9.f2-f4 Nc6-e7=] 9...e6-e5³ 10.d4xe5 [10.c2-c3 Bc8-d7³] 10...Nc6xe5 11.0-0 c7-c5 [11...Bc8-d7 12.Ne2-f4³] 12.Bd3-b5 [12.Ne2-g3 Bc8-d7³] 12...Bc8-d7 [12...Re8-d8 13.Bb5-a4µ] 13.Bb5xd7³ Qd6xd7 14.Nd2-b3 [14.b2-b4 b7-b6³] 14...b7-b6µ 15.Ne2-g3 [15.Nb3-d2 Qd7-f5µ] 15...a7-a5 [15...Ne5-c4 16.Ra1-b1µ] 16.c2-c3 [16.Nb3-d2 Ra8-d8µ] 16...a5-a4 17.Nb3-d2 The knight aims for Nb3-d2-f3-d4 17...Ne5-d3 18.Qd1-c2 c5-c4 19.Nd2-f3 [19.Ng3-e2 Nf6-e4µ] 19...b6-b5 [19...Nf6-e4 20.Ng3-e2µ] 20.Nf3-d4 The knight likes it on d4 [20.Nf3-e1 Nd3-c5³] 20...g7-g6 [20...Nf6-e4!? 21.Ng3-e2 Ne4-c5µ] 21.Ra1-d1 [21.Ng3-e2 Nf6-e4=] 21...Ra8-b8 [21...Nf6-e4 22.Ng3-e2³] 22.Qc2-e2 [22.Ng3-e2 Nf6-e4=] 22...Kg8-g7 [22...Nf6-e4 23.Rd1xd3 c4xd3 24.Qe2xd3 Ne4xg3 25.f2xg3µ] 23.Rd1-b1 [23.Qe2-c2 Nf6-e4 24.Ng3-e2 Ne4-c5³] 23...h7-h6 [23...Nf6-e4 24.Ng3xe4 d5xe4 25.f2-f4µ] 24.Nd4-c2 [24.Rb1-d1 Nf6-e4µ] 24...Nf6-e4µ 25.Ng3xe4 d5xe4 26.Rf1-d1 [26.Rb1-d1 Qd7-e7µ] 26...Re8-e5 27.Nc2-d4 [27.Rd1-f1 Qd7-d6µ] 27...Re5-g5 [27...Rb8-e8 28.Rd1-f1µ] 28.Kg1-h1 [28.f2-f4 e4xf3 29.Qe2xf3 Rb8-e8µ] 28...Rb8-b6 [28...Kg7-g8 29.Rd1-d2µ] 29.f2-f4 [29.Rd1-d2 Qd7-e7µ] 29...e4xf3 30.Nd4xf3 Rg5-f5 [30...Rg5-d5 31.Nf3-d4µ] 31.Rd1-f1 Rb6-e6 [31...Qd7-d5 32.Kh1-g1µ] 32.Nf3-d4 Rf5xf1+ 33.Rb1xf1 Re6-e7 34.Rf1-f3 [34.Qe2-f3µ] 34...Nd3-c1 [¹34...f7-f5!?µ] 35.Qe2-f1 Nc1-b3 36.Nd4xb3 [36.Qf1-f2 Nb3xd4 37.c3xd4 Re7-e4³] 36...c4xb3 [36...a4xb3 37.a3-a4 f7-f5 38.a4xb5 Qd7xb5 39.Kh1-g1µ] 37.Qf1-f2 [37.c3-c4 b5-b4 38.a3xb4 Qd7-d2µ] 37...Qd7-d1+ [37...f7-f5 38.Qf2-e2µ] 38.Kh1-h2³ Qd1-c2 [¹38...Qd1-d6+ 39.Qf2-g3 Qd6-e5³] 39.Kh2-g3?? [¹39.Qf2-h4!? must definitely be considered 39...Qc2-e4 40.Qh4-f6+ Kg7-g8 41.Kh2-g3³] 39...f7-f5 [¹39...b5-b4 secures victory 40.e3-e4 Qc2xf2+ 41.Rf3xf2 b4xa3 42.b2xa3 Re7-c7-+] 40.Rf3-f4µ Re7-d7 [¹40...Qc2-d3!?µ] 41.Rf4-d4= Rd7-e7 [¹41...Rd7-f7=] 42.Rd4-d2 [42.Rd4-f4 Qc2-d3 43.Kg3-f3µ] 42...Qc2-e4µ 43.Rd2-e2 g6-g5 [43...Qe4-d3 44.Kg3-h2µ] 44.Qf2-f3³ Qe4-e5+ [44...Re7-d7 45.Qf3xe4 f5xe4 46.Kg3-f2µ] 45.Kg3-f2 Re7-f7 [45...Qe5-d6³] 46.Qf3-c6 [46.Kf2-g1 Rf7-d7³] 46...h6-h5 [46...g5-g4 47.g2-g3µ] 47.Qc6-b6 [47.Qc6-f3 h5-h4³] 47...h5-h4 [47...f5-f4 48.Kf2-e1µ] 48.Qb6-d4³ Qe5xd4 [48...Rf7-e7 49.Kf2-f1³] 49.e3xd4= Kg7-f6 50.Re2-e5 [50.Re2-e8 Rf7-b7=] 50...Rf7-b7 51.g2-g3 [51.Kf2-f3 Rb7-b6=] 51...h4xg3+ 52.Kf2xg3 Rb7-e7?? there were better ways to keep up the pressure [¹52...b5-b4 53.c3xb4 Rb7-d7³] 53.Re5xe7+- Kf6xe7 [53...f5-f4+ 54.Kg3-g4 Kf6xe7 55.h3-h4²] 54.h3-h4 g5xh4+ 55.Kg3xh4 Ke7-f6 56.Kh4-h5 Kf6-e6 57.Kh5-g5 Ke6-d5 58.Kg5xf5 b5-b4 59.c3xb4 Kd5xd4 60.b4-b5 [¹60.Kf5-e6+- and the rest is a matter of technique] 60...Kd4-c5= 61.Kf5-e5 Kc5xb5 62.Ke5-d5 Kb5-b6 63.Kd5-c4 Kb6-a5?? makes life more difficult [¹63...Kb6-c6= this is the best bet to save the position] 64.Kc4-c5 Ka5-a6 65.Kc5-b4 Ka6-b6 66.Kb4xa4 Kb6-c5 67.Ka4xb3 [67.Ka4xb3 Kc5-d4 68.a3-a4+-] 1-0

i am happy that you analyse our game ... an enjoable game ..

i would like to see how much we matched:

i matched on moves 11, 13,17,18,25,30,31,32,33,35,38,40,41,43,44,45,48,,49,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,61,62,63,64,65,66,67 .. 33 from 67-3=64 choices = 52% match

you matched on moves 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 24, 25, 26, 29, 31, 32, 33, 35, 42, 49, 51, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 64, 65, 66 ... 33 from 64 = 52% !!!!!! the same as me !!!!!!!!

human analysis ...

[Event "Siege"]
[Site "http://www.timeforchess.com"]
[Date "2005.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "flexmore"]
[Black "MIODude"]
[Result "1-0"]
["Game 1263829"]
[ECO "doh!"]
[Annotator "flexmore(2 glasses)"]


1. d4 d5 2. Bc1f4 e6 3. e3 Ng8f6 4. Bf1d3 Bf8d6 5. Ng1e2 O-O 6. Nb1d2 Rf8e8
7. Bf4xd6 Qd8xd6 8. h3 Nb8c6 9. a3 e5 10. dxe5 Nc6xe5 11. O-O c5 12. Bd3b5 Bc8d7
13. Bb5xd7 Qd6xd7 14. Nd2b3 b6 15. Ne2g3 a5 16. c3 a4 17. Nb3d2 Ne5d3
18. Qd1c2 c4 19. Nd2f3 b5 20. Nf3d4 g6 21. Ra1d1 (21 Rf1d1 would have suited my plans better ... as you will see i move the rook again) Ra8b8 22. Qc2e2 Kg8g7
23. Rd1b1 h6 24. Nd4c2 Nf6e4 25. Ng3xe4 dxe4 26. Rf1d1 Re8e5 27. Nc2d4
(a blunder by my definition, i should be focussing on exchange, i assumed that my rooks would sack on your knight, but this is not precise enough, your knight controls many of my valuable rook squares, your rooks can work around my knight, your knight is better than mine) Re5g5
28. Kg1h1 Rb8b6 29. f4 exf3 30. Nd4xf3 Rg5f5 31. Rd1f1 Rb6e6 (this option had not even been considered by me ... you CAN NOT put your rooks where they can be forked) 32. Nf3d4 Rf5xf1
33. Rb1xf1 Re6e7 34. Rf1f3 (here i feel doomed ... you have space, mobility, penetrating knight and connected pawns, but i do not see how you can advance, this gives me the courage to struggle on against the odds) Nd3c1 (this move surprised the hell out of me, your controlling super knight, which seemed to hold all my pieces, lets us go!!!) 35. Qe2f1 Nc1b3 (continuing the surprise, actually exchanging our knights - i was shocked, and hoping it was not a trap, and hopeful again) 36. Nd4xb3 cxb3 (now i have a weak pawn, and you have a very weak pawn) 37. Qf1f2 Qd7d1
38. Kh1h2 Qd1c2 39. Kh2g3 f5 40. Rf3f4 Re7d7 41. Rf4d4 Rd7e7 42. Rd4d2 Qc2e4
43. Rd2e2 (an unplanned rook sequence just happenned without me even driving it) g5 44. Qf2f3 Qe4e5 45. Kg3f2 Re7f7 46. Qf3c6 h5 47. Qc6b6 h4 (this felt like a blunder by you, it left your weak pawn weak, and turned my weakness into a passed, protected pawn, now i think i am slightly better off)
48. Qb6d4 Qe5xd4 49. exd4 Kg7f6 50. Re2e5 Rf7b7 51. g3 hxg3 52. Kf2xg3 Rb7e7 (..i figured your best chance was to keep rooks on to try to counter my happy pawns, it also takes your king in the wrong direction, i start to think i should win) 53. Re5xe7 Kf6xe7 54. h4 gxh4 55. Kg3xh4 (i felt i had a solidly won game here, seeing the sequence to the end, except 63 .. kc6!))Ke7f6 56. Kh4h5 Kf6e6 57. Kh5g5 Ke6d5
58. Kg5xf5 b4 59. cxb4 Kd5xd4 60. b5 Kd4c5 61. Kf5e5 Kc5xb5 62. Ke5d5 Kb5b6
63. Kd5c4 Kb6a5 (is 63 .. Kc6 really a draw ??? - wow !!!!! i can see it now, but would not have found it) 64. Kc4c5 Ka5a6 65. Kc5b4 Ka6b6 66. Kb4xa4 Kb6c5 67. Ka4xb3 1-0

some analysis by crafty thanks to Schakuhr, analysing flexmore's moves only.

[White "flexmore"]
[Black "mandarb77"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "Game 1366344"]

1. d4 f5
2. Bc1f4 e6
3. e3 d5

Analysed:

4. Nb1d2 (4. Qh5+) c6
5. Bf1d3 (5. Qh5+) Ng8f6
6. h3 (6. Ngf3) Nb8d7
7. Ng1e2 (7. Ngf3) Bf8e7
8. Nd2f3 (8. O-O) O-O
9. Nf3g5 (9. O-O) Nd7b6
10. c3 (10. Nf3) h6
11. Ng5f3 Bc8d7
12. Bd3c2 (12. Ne5) Nf6e4
13. Nf3e5 Be7h4
14. O-O g5
15. Bf4h2 Nb6c4
16. Ne5xc4 (16. Bxe4) dxc4
17. Bc2xe4 (17. g3)fxe4
18. g3 1-0




[White "dragondad"]
[Black "flexmore"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameId "Game 1366430"]

1. e4 c6
2. c3 d5
3. d3 dxe4

Analysed:

4. dxe4 e5 (4. ..Qxd1+)
5. Ng1f3 Bc8g4 (5. ..Qxd1+)
6. Bf1c4 Bf8c5 (6. ..Qxd1+) (quick comment here: this is actually a blunder, cause white can win with 7. Qxd8+ Kxd8 8. Nxe5 and 9. Nxf7.)
7. Qd1xd8 Ke8xd8
8. O-O Bg4xf3 (2nd choice)
9. gxf3 f6 (9. ..Ke8)
10. Bc1e3 Bc5xe3
11. fxe3 Kd8e7 (11. ..Nd7)
12. Nb1a3 Ng8h6
13. Ra1d1 Nb8d7
14. Rf1f2 Rh8d8
15. Rf2g2 Ke7f8 (15. ..g6)
16. Rd1d6 Nh6f7 (16. ..Nb6)
17. Rd6e6 Nf7g5 (17. ..Nc5)
18. Re6d6 Ng5xf3
19. Kg1f2 Nf3g5
20. h4 Ng5xe4
21. Kf2e2 Ne4xd6
22. h5 Nd6xc4 (22. ..Nc5)
23. Na3xc4 Nd7c5
24. h6 g6 (24. ..gxh6)
25. Rg2f2 Kf8e7
26. Nc4a5 Rd8d7 (26. ..Ne4)
27. Na5c4 b6 (27. ..Ne4)
28. b4 Nc5e4
29. Rf2f3 Ne4xc3
30. Ke2f2 Ra8d8 (30. ..Nxa2)
31. e4 Nc3xe4
32. Kf2e3 Ne4g5 (32. ..Rd3+)
33. Rf3g3 Rd7d3
34. Ke3f2 Ng5e4
35. Kf2e2 Rd3xg3
36. a4 Rd8d3 (36. ..Rd4)
37. Nc4b2 Ne4c3 (37. ..Rd2+)
38. Ke2f2 Rd3f3 0-1
Schakuhr used Crafty 19.8 for analysis, used about 10 seconds per move.
first game: 15 moves analysed, 5 moves matchup = 33% match-up.
second game: 35 moves analysed, 17 moves matchup = 49% match-up.

an observation ... the computers often predict that a move should be done ... i do a different move, then, next move-or the move after that, i do what the computer predicted for that previous move.

Originally posted by flexmore
human analysis ...

[Event "Siege"]
[Site "http://www.timeforchess.com"]
[Date "2005.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "flexmore"]
[Black "MIODude"]
[Result "1-0"]
["Game 1263829"]
[ECO "doh!"]
[Annotator "flexmore(2 glasses)"]


1. d4 d5 2. Bc1f4 e6 3. e3 Ng8f6 4. Bf1d3 Bf8d6 5. Ng1e2 O-O 6. Nb1d2 Rf8e8
7. Bf4xd6 Qd8xd6 ...[text shortened]... ow, but would not have found it) 64. Kc4c5 Ka5a6 65. Kc5b4 Ka6b6 66. Kb4xa4 Kb6c5 67. Ka4xb3 1-0

Originally posted by pineapple42
Surely if Derek did the following: Play move. Ask Son to analyse the move. And when his opponent plays the move compare with that which his son said would be played, that is not cheating.

Originally posted by belgianfreak
even if his son analyses the move just made it's still outside assistance. For example, he plays a move and his son says "yeah great move" he'll continue with the line he's following. If however his son says "oooh, not so hot" even with no more detail he'll know to reassess his thinking.

Every way it's looked at, asking an engine or another person to comment on a game in progress is a no-no.