Originally posted by zeebleboti ask the mods to remove any post which claims that a player is cheating, i ask the mods to give the accusers no punishment, or forum bans, or rhp bans at their discretion.
how bout we ask the mods first?
i ask the mods to let rhp members present their simple facts in public if they wish (the private option exists also of course - via PM to a mod ... just click on SiteMap>Volunteers and choose a member of the GameModTeam).
i ask the mods not to close this thread 😉
Originally posted by flexmoreWho put you in charge? What is the point of this thread?
i ask the mods to remove any post which claims that a player is cheating, i ask the mods to give the accusers no punishment, or forum bans, or rhp bans at their discretion.
i ask the mods to let rhp members present their simple facts in public if they wish (the private option exists also of course - via PM to a mod ... just click on SiteMap>Volunteers and choose a member of the GameModTeam).
i ask the mods not to close this thread 😉
This is a horrible idea. That said:
[White "arrakis"]
[Black "XanthosNZ"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B75"]
[Annotator "Fritz 8 (60s)"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[TimeControl "300"]
{B75: Sicilian Dragon: Yugoslav Attack, Miscellaneous} 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4
cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O Bd7 10. g4 Rc8 11. h4 Ne5 12. h5 Qa5 13. hxg6 fxg6 14. Kb1N Rxc3 15. Qxc3 Qxc3 16. bxc3 Nxf3 17. Nxf3 Nxe4 18. Bc4+ e6 19. Rdf1 Nxc3+
(19... d5 20. Bd3 Ng3 21. Rhg1 Nxf1 22. Rxf1 =)
20. Kc1 d5 21. Bb3 Ne2+ 22. Kd2 Ng3 23. Rhg1 Nxf1+ 24. Rxf1 d4 25. Bg5 Kh8 26. Nh2 Rxf1 27. Nxf1 e5
(27... a5 28. Bd8 a4 29. Bc4=)
28. Nh2 e4
(28... h6 29. Be7 =)
29. Bf4 e3+
(29... g5 30. Bb8 Bc6 31. Be6 =)
30. Ke1 h5 31. gxh5 gxh5 32. Bg3 Bf6 33. Nf3 Bc6 34. Be5 Bxe5 35. Nxe5 Kg7
(35...Be4 36. Bc4 =)
36. Ke2 h4
(36... Kf6=)
37. Nf3 h3 38. Nh2 Kf6 39. Bc4 Kg5
(39... b5 40. Bb3 -+) 40. c3 dxc3 41. Kxe3 b5 42. Be6 Kh4 43. a3 a5 44. Bf5 b4 45. axb4 axb4 46. Kd3 Kg3 47. Nf1+ Kf4 48. Bxh3 Be4+
(48... Be4+ 49. Ke2 b3 50. Ne3 b2 51. Nd5+ Bxd5 52. Bf5 Kxf5 53. Kd3 b1=Q+ 54. Kd4 c2 55. Kxd5 Qb6 56. Kc4 c1=Q+ 57. Kd3 Qbe3🙄 0-1
A64 3500+ 1GB RAM analysing only my moves.
Originally posted by XanthosNZit seems that for the moves 14 to 48, you made 35 move choices ... 7 of those were different from fritzies choice ... you matched fritz8 on 28/35 = 80% of moves.
This is a horrible idea. That said:
[White "arrakis"]
[Black "XanthosNZ"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B75"]
[Annotator "Fritz 8 (60s)"]
[PlyCount "96"]
[TimeControl "300"]
{B75: Sicilian Dragon: Yugoslav Attack, Miscellaneous} 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4
cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O Bd7 10. g4 Rc8 11. ...[text shortened]... 4 c2 55. Kxd5 Qb6 56. Kc4 c1=Q+ 57. Kd3 Qbe3🙄 0-1
A64 3500+ 1GB RAM analysing only my moves.
(i presume the three dots at move 14 indicate that fritz is moving out of book, of course your internet search opening book might be a little bigger than fritzes book )
contrary to what many people may suspect
... i am only a lttle interested in finding players with a high match ...
i am much more interested in finding players with a consistently low match with engines, but a high rating ... their style of play will surely be of interest ... i would very much like to study such games.
Originally posted by derek9037contrary to what many people may suspect
stuff
... i am only a lttle interested in finding players with a high match ...
i am much more interested in finding players with a consistently low match with engines, but a high rating ... their style of play will surely be of interest ... i would very much like to study such games.
Originally posted by derek9037You definitely would be cheating.
OK I'm not saying this has happened, but what if:
I am playing an opponent and feel fairly sure the games (4) are not his own. I ask my son to check HIS MOVES ONLY through his engine. So basically I carry on playing and after making my move(s) my son tells me what his next move will be. If EVERY move he comes back with matches what my son is calling ou ...[text shortened]... suppose I could argue that the opponent could always do something different.
Interesting no?
Also, the last statement in your profile isn't a good one. It casts doubt on every player that you resign against, which isn't fair.
D
Originally posted by flexmoreAs I said in the Twin Peaks thread (after Arrakis accused me of cheating to find Kf4) if you closer you'll see that 9 moves that I match are ones in which the second best option is two pawns or more worse than the played move. Fritz will find these, and so will I unless I'm drunk or blundering.
contrary to what many people may suspect
... i am not very interested in finding players with a high match ...
i am interested in finding players with a consistently low match with engines, but a high rating ... their style of play will surely be of interest ... i would very much like to study such games.
6 more are between one and two pawns better than all alternatives. A couple of these have no alternatives that makes sense (not recapturing, leaving pawns hanging etc.)
The ... was me missing removing it when I removed the opening information (which is long, and not very interesting), basically games that the text has followed but varied from now. The N after 14. Kb1 indicates that it is a novelty (according to the database used).
The database Fritz used was not huge but contains only quality games which I believe makes a big difference in effectiveness. It is also the main database I use when playing chess here.
I've got a draw against Yozzer with very low matchup if you want that, basically it shows that engines can't recognise positions where material advantages won't be any use.
Originally posted by flexmoreTake a look at Game 1266593
contrary to what many people may suspect
... i am not very interested in finding players with a high match ...
i am interested in finding players with a consistently low match with engines, but a high rating ... their style of play will surely be of interest ... i would very much like to study such games.
I think you will find at the time my rating was inflated due to a few timeouts, but this is one of my best games and the combination at the end was not difficult to spot.
I'm more than happy for anyone to look at my games, but I would be interested to know what the stat's are for this one.
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Originally posted by RagnorakSurely if Derek did the following: Play move. Ask Son to analyse the move. And when his opponent plays the move compare with that which his son said would be played, that is not cheating.
You definitely would be cheating.
Also, the last statement in your profile isn't a good one. It casts doubt on every player that you resign against, which isn't fair.
D