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Discussion in another thread lead me to digress. Everyone there politely ignored the digressioin their, so I am going to ask here:

Many sources, notably the laws of the USA (and other countries), routinely talk about 'rights' as though they were defined concepts. Can someone give a good definition and tell me why it is so certain that everyone has 'rights'?

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Originally posted by royalchicken
Discussion in another thread lead me to digress. Everyone there politely ignored the digressioin their, so I am going to ask here:

Many sources, notably the laws of the USA (and other countries), routinely talk about 'rights' as though they were defined concepts. Can someone give a good definition and tell me why it is so certain that everyone has 'rights'?
I don't think many people have any good rights. It's just something we are told to keep us quiet. Once someone I knew got arrested. He said he wanted his phone call. The cop replied "You only have the right to remain silent. Use it!!!" 😠

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You, like myself, can also not think of an answer to the question "What are rights?" ?

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Originally posted by royalchicken
You, like myself, can also not think of an answer to the question "What are rights?" ?
Rights are like air. We can't see them but we're told that they are there.

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Originally posted by royalchicken
You, like myself, can also not think of an answer to the question "What are rights?" ?
Are rights not simply the rules that define your interactions within a given society?

Andrew

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Originally posted by latex bishop
Are rights not simply the rules that define your interactions within a given society?

Andrew
That is, I think, what they are meant to be but, like many other things, don't work in real life situations.

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I don't know. Those are what I'd call 'morals'. 'Rights' are usually talked about as some kind of obvious entitlement that people are possessed of, but I'm challenging us to come up with a few and explain why they are fundamental entitlements of humanity, or to argue that such things don't exist.

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Originally posted by royalchicken
I don't know. Those are what I'd call 'morals'. 'Rights' are usually talked about as some kind of obvious entitlement that people are possessed of, but I'm challenging us to come up with a few and explain why they are fundament ...[text shortened]... titlements of humanity, or to argue that such things don't exist.
We did an "Our Rights" topic in at the begining of the school year. Apparently I have the "right" to learn and be taught. So how, I ask, can I learn if I am sent out of class because I challenged a mathmatical theory in a Math lesson. If I say "I have a right to learn" I will be shouted at for being rude. If I don't I stand in the corridor getting shouted at by passing teachers who ask "Why are you out here?!?"

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Originally posted by latex bishop
Are rights not simply the rules that define your interactions within a given society?

Andrew
I think that rights are certain rules that prevent you from doing illegal thing...it's a right to go to school, but at the same time...when you're skipping school, you're commiting a crime!
As Andrew said, rights are defined by the society you live in, it isn't a right to go to school in Africa...🙁

Olav

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Rights are somethings which are granted by the powers that be.
I think they are almost like privilages, but are considered so important that it would be uncivil (shall we say?) NOT to have them.
For instance, the ability to go hunting or fishing (with a licence) is a privilage in most societies.
The ability to vote for who governs you is a right.
Something like that?

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I guess I want to know more fundamentally WHY. Why is it a fundamental human entitlement to be able to have a hand in choosing one's government?

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Go here - http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

I think rights are about diginity

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Even that does not provide what I want-it just states what they think rights are, as if it were God talking. What I think would be interesting is some argument as to why these rights exist, what they are, and why everyone is equally entitled to them.

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Perhaps you underestimate the wisdom of the people that were involved in this declaration. How could a chess community possibly offer a more concise response than this. Admittedly it is propaganda, of a sort, but what isn't?

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Originally posted by Varg
Rights are somethings which are granted by the powers that be.
I think they are almost like privilages, but are considered so important that it would be uncivil (shall we say?) NOT to have them.
For instance, the ability to go hunting or fishing (with a licence) is a privilage in most societies.
The ability to vote for who governs you is a right.
Something like that?
Funny that a freethinker would talk about the powers that be. Thinking about switching sides are you? 😉

Seriously though, rights to humanity are given in the bible. Even though many of you do not believe in God he has handed us a handbook on how to treat others. The forefathers of this great nation believed in the Lord and incorporated what they had learned from the Bible into the intial laws of the USA. There have been those in the state legislature that have stated "Without the 10 Commandments there would be no laws." Those who live where the Koran is their Bible have developed a different viewpoint on what civilians rights are but they believe they are acting on the laws given to them by their God. All laws began with the 10 commandments and therefore our initial 'rights' were outlined by Moses.... 🙂

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