Originally posted by shavixmirI don't have a problem if change is actually a conscious part of the artistry, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?
Why should art be "finished"?
Surely, it's quite an original and arty notion to create something which you just keep changing...
We're talking about something that was consciously declared to be ready for release in a particular form. If it wasn't ready it wouldn't have been presented to the public.
And part of being an artist is knowing when to STOP working on something and move on to the next thing.
Besides, I suspect that most of the fiddling with the first three movies has nothing to do with artistry and everything to do with forcing obsessive fans to buy every new variation so that their collection remains complete.
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Originally posted by orfeoi saw an interview with George Lucas where he was talking about this, and he said something like he was putting in stuff he would have liked to have done in the originals but couldn't because of budget/technology restrictions when he was making the first movies.
I don't have a problem if change is actually a conscious part of the artistry, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?
We're talking about something that was consciously declared to be ready for release in a particular form. If it wasn't ready it wouldn't have been presented to the public.
And part of being an artist is knowing when to STOP work ...[text shortened]... rcing obsessive fans to buy every new variation so that their collection remains complete.
at any rate, i don't see any reason why an artist should not keep tinkering with their work, if they've moved on beyond their original vision. musicians cover other musicians' work all the time. why not cover your own work, and if you're doing that, why not include all the progress you've made since producing the original?
Originally posted by dfm65Suzianne is right as Lucas didnt have a 750 million USD budget for Episode Four "A New Hope". It cost $11,000,000 USD.
um, you've got that wrong way round. Episodes IV-VI were made first, then I-III much later...
He plowed most of his money back into Lucas Films and Industrial Light and Magic so he could make better films and in turn create filming and special effects advancements for the whole film industry.
He only had enough funding to make one film and decided his best commercial bet was to make Episode Four.
Originally posted by lordhighgusno, she's clearly wrong: here's the quote -
Suzianne is right as Lucas didnt have a 750 million USD budget for Episode Four "A New Hope". It cost $11,000,000 USD.
He plowed most of his money back into Lucas Films and Industrial Light and Magic so he could make better films and in turn create filming and special effects advancements for the whole film industry.
He only had enough funding to make one film and decided his best commercial bet was to make Episode Four.
Episodes 1-3 were made relatively cheaply, made a ton of money and that led to Episodes 4-6 which, although reviled by some purists, excelled their predecessors in special effects and revenue.
it was episodes IV-Vi that were made relatively cheaply, made a ton, and led to I-III. she had it the wrong way round, as i said.
Originally posted by dfm65Yes, you are right.
no, she's clearly wrong: here's the quote -
Episodes 1-3 were made relatively cheaply, made a ton of money and that led to Episodes 4-6 which, although reviled by some purists, excelled their predecessors in special effects and revenue.
it was episodes IV-Vi that were made relatively cheaply, made a ton, and led to I-III. she had it the wrong way round, as i said.
She got the episode numbers switched.
But her point is correct too.
Originally posted by Knight SquareThere will definitely be a KotOR 3. Hopefully it won't be as COMPLETELY ROPEY as KotOR 2. You can read a bit about it here, 3/4 down the page:
So there won't be a Kotor 3 🙁
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/680/680220p1.html
This message is going around the rumour mill, I don't know how credible it is though:
"As a leading representative of BioWare Corp. given the mamoth task of publicising the next in the series of Knights Of The Old Republic games (KOTOR 3), I have permission to confirm that this title is now several months underway.
This may come as a surprise to those who are currently reading this, as it was previously believed that the KOTOR staff had been cut from the LucasArts project. I can also confirm that the KOTOR 3 team is now officially on LucasArts budget and eagerly developing what we hope to be a 'must have' title on as of yet unconfirmed Next Generation platforms for 2006.
With more details to be released in the coming weeks, 3 points concerning KOTOR 3 can be posted:
1)The story takes place in a period roughly 14 years after KOTOR 2: The Sith Lords.
2)There will be new characters, equipment, classes, mini games and an entirely new combat system based on the interface used on Jade Empire.
3)The plot follows directly from the last game, plunging the galaxy into war with the True Sith.
This has yet to be posted onto the BioWare official website (www.bioware.com) as the pages are currently serving as a front to keep viewers occupied during a drastic remodelling process of the entire site.
As previously stated, this message is soon to be posted around the internet, and new details are to be released soon.
Keep checking back for more information."
Also, KoTOR 3 may be delayed a bit as Lucasharts has just released a greatest hits Star Wars collection: Get five great Star Wars gaes (sic) for the price of one... This surprise compilation is scheduled to be released this month and will only be available through the 2006 holiday season for a suggested price of... bla bla bla.
Originally posted by dfm65Yes, but a lot of the best art arises because restrictions FORCE artists to be creative. The restrictions can be physical/practical or emposed by authorities/employers. Shostakovich wrote what is considered his finest symphony because the Soviet authorities were cracking down on music they thought was too 'modern'. Mozart wrote about 20 piano concertos in one year because someone ordered them, not because he had a sudden burning interest in piano concertos.
i saw an interview with George Lucas where he was talking about this, and he said something like he was putting in stuff he would have liked to have done in the originals but couldn't because of budget/technology restrictions when he was making the first movies.
The special effects thing is a perfect illustration. Star Wars was a success because of the story & characters, not because of whizz bang special effects. Look what happened when Lucas DID have a whole lot of special effects to play with - he spent all his time playing, and story and character went out the window for a couple of movies.
Originally posted by orfeoI disagree with you on various issues:
Yes, but a lot of the best art arises because restrictions FORCE artists to be creative. The restrictions can be physical/practical or emposed by authorities/employers. Shostakovich wrote what is considered his finest symphony because the Soviet authorities were cracking down on music they thought was too 'modern'. Mozart wrote about 20 piano concertos in o ...[text shortened]... pent all his time playing, and story and character went out the window for a couple of movies.
Just because some art is made under stress, doesn't mean that stress makes better art. That's generalistic to say the least.
Some great works of art (like a lot of 60's songs) was made using drugs. Using drugs, however, won't neccesarily create good art and not all good art is drugs inspired.
The orginal star wars film was all about special effects.
The mere sight of the Star Destroyer in the opening shot pelting the fleeing rebel craft with laser beams...
There was more character development in 1, 2 and 3 than there was in 4, 5 and 6.
And the prequals had a hypnotisingly brilliant part played by Palpantine and how he comes to power.
Take Kenobi in 1. The padawan.
Then in 2 he's trying to be a jedi.
And finally in 3 he's kicking ass all over the place.
I thought the prequals were pretty good.
I agree with Shav - as i said, i watched I-III again recently, and they add a lot of depth to the series - it becomes apparent that it's all really the tragic story of Anakin, who was doomed to his fate just as much as Oedipus was. Anakin would never have fallen to the dark side if he hadn't such a deep love for his mother and his wife. And Palpatine wouldn't have bothered to go through the tortuous process of converting him if he hadn't been so brilliantly talented in using the force. It's a brilliant, classic story...
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I agree with Shav as well.
Anybody that knocks 1-3 are most likely not looking at the movie with the same childlike wonder in which they viewed 4-6. I suggest forgetting for a moment how remarkable you considered 4-6 and watch 1-3 again with a clear mind bent on enjoying the movies for what they are. Entertainment and eye-candy with a decent enough storyline.