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Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexI don't think his anecdote was anti-religious, I think it was right in line with the subject article...God answered the prayers, but in a fashion different than that expected. Don't make assumptions in how the prayers should be answered, just accept the help.
I think you have misinterpreted your own anecdote - it is not supposed to be anti religious, just making the point that everybody has their own free will to choose their paths in life.
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Originally posted by SJ247It was a religious parable - just as SJ described.
I don't think his anecdote was anti-religious, I think it was right in line with the subject article...God answered the prayers, but in a fashion different than that expected. Don't make assumptions in how the prayers should be answered, just accept the help.
When I wrote it, I tried to write "" around it, but somehow that vanished. The moral, if you will, is that you should not try to fit God into *your* image of Him.
There are a couple more along the same line, but I have had enough for 1 night.
The statement "I hate religion" was intended to be a separate comment, on things *men* (let's face it, there were few women) have done and continue to do in the name of God and of religion. Thus the "war" statement. Pretty much on topic, I would have said.
"If god was on our side he would stop the next war" - I only find Dylan, but vaguely recall a WWI poet before him)
edit: Angle brackets (greater than/less than) vanished again. Perhaps I should have wrote: [parable]
Don't You all think that this entire thread is strange? Of course, behaviour of parents is an outrage, but thousands of people die every day beacuse of moronic actions, ie. driving while drunken , drugging oneself to death , and somehow nobody of You react. Does reading of another victim of gangs shot to death ruin Your day ??? I don't presume ...
Originally posted by ChoreantOriginally posted by Evil Pawn 666
Don't You all think that this entire thread is strange? Of course, behaviour of parents is an outrage, but thousands of people die every day beacuse of moronic actions, ie. driving while drunken , drugging oneself to death , and somehow nobody of You react. Does reading of another victim of gangs shot to death ruin Your day ??? I don't presume ...
If this bothers you how about the other atrocities in the world killing millions. Does that get a nod?
Listen I don't really know what your point is. Are you implying that since there is other strife that this is less legitimate? Simply for me this is close to my home. I may have walked past her in a crowd, did you look at the photo accompanying the story? I was moved by this story. By me being upset by the outcome here are you .... forget it I am failing to see the logic in your post. Please clarify for me.
No, I have not compassion for any others than this one random girl in a paper! My sole purpose in this thread was to diminish all suffering and death in the world other than this story. (sarcasm). There are other paintings in the world why be moved when standing in front of Mona? If you enjoy Mona could you feel nothing for others?
Listen I don't really know what your point is. Are you implying that since there is other strife that this is less legitimate? Simply for me this is close to my home. I may have walked past her in a crowd, did you look at the photo accompanying the story? I was moved by this story. By me being upset by the outcome here are you .... forget it I am failing to see the logic in your post. Please clari ...[text shortened]... d why be moved when standing in front of Mona? If you enjoy Mona could you feel nothing for others?It is not like that. I never implied You being indifferent to others . And it is not the thing in question. The problem is , that if You write something, be it even the thread at RHP, You somehow mark the particular event . Following Your painting event, if You attended all galeries of the world and than wrote" Mona is really something" it would be justified to ask about the other paintings.
But what I really hate is thousands of "righteous intellectualists" who love condeming , justifing , gloryifing and so on in the internet forums or in various "good-will events" . It is very trendy recently . Calling for boycott of olimpic games ??? Beautiful! Just like China started repressing Tibet in the last two months. Apart of shouting loudly they even won't stop themselves from buying chinese stuff. Most funny , ( however it is the theme for another way too long debate) they often find religion a source of all evil. I have no doubt that Your intentions and feelings were honest, but I cannot stand thousands of "outraged" , who really are bunch of hypocrites .
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Originally posted by ChoreantWhat a bunch of generalizing. If you want to discuss "other paintings", start a thread. Or, continue uttering your disgust over peoples' focus on the thread's topic.
It is not like that. I never implied You being indifferent to others . And it is not the thing in question. The problem is , that if You write something, be it even the thread at RHP, You somehow mark the particular event . Following Your painting event, if You attended all galeries of the world and than wrote" Mona is really something" it would be justifie ...[text shortened]... nest, but I cannot stand thousands of "outraged" , who really are bunch of hypocrites .
What is wrong with the poster "mark(ing) the particular event"?
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Originally posted by SJ247Because I told him he was allowed to mark the tree in the backyard... but that doesn't mean he can come inside and start marking up the forums! 😛
What a bunch of generalizing. If you want to discuss "other paintings", start a thread. Or, continue uttering your disgust over peoples' focus on the thread's topic.
What is wrong with the poster "mark(ing) the particular event"?
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Originally posted by ChoreantIf we are not outraged, we acquiesce. If we acquiesce, we condone. What is your point? That unless we discuss every world ill, we may discuss none?
It is not like that. I never implied You being indifferent to others . And it is not the thing in question. The problem is , that if You write something, be it even the thread at RHP, You somehow mark the particular event . Following Your painting event, if You attended all galeries of the world and than wrote" Mona is really something" it would be justifie nest, but I cannot stand thousands of "outraged" , who really are bunch of hypocrites .
The element of your thread I do agree with is that people pick and choose what to get upset by, but this is just human nature. We can't all fight every cause.
The theme of this post is not Tibet, it is a vulnerable young child who deserved parental care and didn't get it. The peculiarity being that the reason cited was religious. Had it been a more 'regular' child neglect death we probably wouldn't be talking about it. There are hundreds of these every year in the UK alone, thousands in the US. They are all equally evil, but perhaps this one was particularly interesting due to the attendent circumstances. The poster thought so, and it is his right to think that without being called a hypocrite.
You appear to be saying we must either be equally vocal about all the worlds wrongs, or keep quiet. This is absurd and illogical. As absurd and illogical as comparing state repression in Tibet to child neglect. Perhaps many of us agree with your concern over Tibet, but you didn't ask, and more importantly, that is not what this debate is about.
Originally posted by PolicestateYou should arrest him on the charge of "Being absurd and illogical in the first degree." 😉
If we are not outraged, we acquiesce. If we acquiesce, we condone. What is your point? That unless we discuss every world ill, we may discuss none?
The element of your thread I do agree with is that people pick and choose what to get upset by, but this is just human nature. We can't all fight every cause.
The theme of this post is not Tibet, it is a ...[text shortened]... er Tibet, but you didn't ask, and more importantly, that is not what this debate is about.
You walk past the hungry, the cold, the homeless, the sick and lame. None of this gets your attention. One child born to some schizophrenic couple (religiosity is a typical symptom of schizophrenia) who if it had lived would in all probability have been potentially the same as her parents. Perhaps (I say this in all sympathy) it was good to end the line here.
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Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666So counsellors, psychotherapists, psychiatrists and psychologists are all wasting their time engaging with damaged children?
You walk past the hungry, the cold, the homeless, the sick and lame. None of this gets your attention. One child born to some schizophrenic couple (religiosity is a typical symptom of schizophrenia) who if it had lived would in all probability have been potentially the same as her parents. Perhaps (I say this in all sympathy) it was good to end the line here.
She may have had the chance of a fulfilled life, given the chance. 🙁
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Just because you belive in a religion I do not believe you should force that belief on your child, therefore if you are ill you can refuse treatment on religious grounds as it is your life and you are entitled to live it your way
When a child's life is at stake then more than the parents should have a say, I don't believe all medical advancements are for the betterment of humankind but I do think a child has the right to be protected from the beliefs of it's parents
I'd just like to point out I haven't read the whole of this thread and was adressing the original topic 🙂
but who are we to judge which beliefs are right?