Originally posted by NordlysAgreed.
While I would certainly hold the parents accountable, religion does play in strongly here. Of course it would be stupid to argue that religion in general is bad because of things like this happening. But certain brands of religion or religious views are dangerous, and I think that religious leaders who propagate these kinds of views also have to take some blame.
Plenty of religious people visit a doctor when necessary/warranted.
That experience/article should shame anyone who thinks that way...
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Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666Listen I don't really know what your point is. Are you implying that since there is other strife that this is less legitimate? Simply for me this is close to my home. I may have walked past her in a crowd, did you look at the photo accompanying the story? I was moved by this story. By me being upset by the outcome here are you .... forget it I am failing to see the logic in your post. Please clarify for me.
If this bothers you how about the other atrocities in the world killing millions. Does that get a nod?
Originally posted by mrjonesvich321I very rarely comment upon religion, as we all know it is dangerous ground. However, I will comment upon one experience I had.
My priest says:
"Pray as if everything depends on God,
but work as if everything depends on you."
So in my opinion the parents were right in praying for their daughter's health, or course, but it was wrong to believe that some miracle would cure her and so they should have sought medical attention.
A few years back, in the UK, on an early Sunday morn a Jehova's witness knocked my door, his indoctrinated daughter aside him. My first question before he spoke was 'If your child was in a car accident and needed a blood transfusion to survive would you permit it?'
His answer was a vehement 'NO.'
I politely asked him to leave and closed my door. But it did make me think for a few hours.
How could one possibly put a religious belief before the life of one's own child? Is the belief in God for some people so much more important than the life they created through him (if they believe)?
I cannot comprehend not permitting medical intervention to safe life against any religious belief. I find it very very sad, especially for the children who know no better as a result of parental ignorance.
That's just my opinion. Feel free to attack! 😉
Originally posted by NordlysHey....only the good die young. 🙁
It's about a girl with diabetes who died because her parents rather prayed for her than seeking medical help. Very very sad indeed. And apperently they believed that their child died because they didn't have enough faith. 😞
Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensThis happens mostly in the cases where the parents are footwashers.
Did you read some of the forum post after the story? Both sides of the fence trolling. Some try to hold religion accountable, some post that faith is how god works. Religious people are still individuals and are accountable for themselves. Did the parents not drive because cars are not gods creation? I get pissed when children are hurt through ign ...[text shortened]... ance such as this. Mis interpiting gods words for and then after the fact people blame religion.
Here is an update from the original post.
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/SPJ0101/803270714/1657/SPJnews
I have a tough time believing they didn't know the kid was that sick. Commonsense says error on the side of caution! If a relative in CA can diagnose trouble then...
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Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensWhat's especially disturbing is the Aunt's statement that the mother would fight it (having the child treated by EMT's.) At this point the girl was about dead, and she's still going to fight medical intervention?
Here is an update from the original post.
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/SPJ0101/803270714/1657/SPJnews
I have a tough time believing they didn't know the kid was that sick. Commonsense says error on the side of caution! If a relative in CA can diagnose trouble then...
Yes, the parents should be charged, for placing their beliefs above the welfare of their daughter. The stupidity defense only goes so far, these are two functioning adults, who repeatedly made the wrong decision as their daughter's life slowly slipped away. This isn't a case where there was a sudden accident, and the wrong decision was made. They continued to make it, over and over and over. As they prayed, she became worse. She was too young to choose to believe in the same ridiculous religious faith, but could only trust in her parents.
I'd like to see them dropped in the middle of the Pacific, with nothing but their prayers to save them.
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Originally posted by SJ247
I'd like to see them dropped in the middle of the Pacific, with nothing but their prayers to save them.
A man was in his house when the flood waters started to rise, and he could not get out. He prayed, and God answered "No problem, I will come and save you".
A strong man knocked on the door, and said come with me, I am heavy enough to carry both of us to safety. The man responded, "No, God is coming to save me." The strong man said, fine, suit yourself, and carried on.
A couple in a boat knocked on the upstairs window, as the water rises. Again the man responded,"No, God is coming to save me."
An army helicopter offered to lift him from the roof, as the water still rises. Again the man responded,"No, God is coming to save me."
Eventually the man drowns, and at heaven's gate accuses God, "Where where you? I waited, and now I am drowned." God says, "I knocked three times, and you turned me away!"
I hate religion. And wars.
Originally posted by gezzaI think you have misinterpreted your own anecdote - it is not supposed to be anti religious, just making the point that everybody has their own free will to choose their paths in life.
A man was in his house when the flood waters started to rise, and he could not get out. He prayed, and God answered "No problem, I will come and save you".
A strong man knocked on the door, and said come with me, I am heavy enough to carry both of us to safety. The man responded, "No, God is coming to save me." The strong man said, fine, suit yourself, ...[text shortened]... , "I knocked three times, and you turned me away!"
I hate religion. And wars.
Originally posted by SJ247This is straight up and down child cruelty by neglect. There is no defence, legal or moral, to causing or allowing the vulnerable be harmed or die, as a result of any belief system.
What's especially disturbing is the Aunt's statement that the mother would fight it (having the child treated by EMT's.) At this point the girl was about dead, and she's still going to fight medical intervention?
Yes, the parents should be charged, for placing their beliefs above the welfare of their daughter. The stupidity defense only goes so far, the ...[text shortened]... e them dropped in the middle of the Pacific, with nothing but their prayers to save them.
Religion can be interpreted differently by any individual with faith. Basic morality is not for negotiation. Where it is possible to intervene to prevent suffering, and the intervention does not risk or cause harm to others, we all have a duty to act. This is not deciding whether to invade a dictatorship for the 'greater good', this is a little girl who cannot protect herself.
I dont think we should tarnish religion using this case study. I am not in any way religous, but I respect the right of all moderate people to think and practice what they wish. This is not the behaviour of moderate people, or the vast majority of people of any faith. It is just another form of extremism in its own sickening way, and it is deplorable.
The minute it is OK for people to die or suffer for our beliefs is the moment we move from religion to criminality.