Originally posted by The PlumberWell, he can prove that there's something that is "the greatest", but is not perfect. Or he can prove that there's the possibility that there's something "that than which nothing greater can be conceived". But neither of them proves enough to say that there's a perfect, non-deceiving god.
Well, if Descartes can start with thinking and conclude existence ('I think, therefore I am'😉, surely he can just as successfully you St. Anselm's Ontological reasoning to "prove" the existence of God (defined as 'that than which nothing greater can be conceived'😉.
Don't you think? 😉
Do you have any more information on this proof?
Lame joke: Descartes is in a bar conversing with some friends. Upon noticing that his glass is empty, the bartender asks his guest of honor if he'd like another drink. Descartes replies, "I think not," and prompty disappears.
Are most plumbers this philosophical?
We seem to have strayed into "Spirituality" Forum territory....😳
Originally posted by ark13
Well, he can prove that there's something that is "the greatest", but is not perfect. Or he can prove that there's the possibility that there's something "that than which nothing greater can be conceived". But neither of them proves enough to say that there's a perfect, non-deceiving god.
Do you have any more information on this proof?
A google search can probably find a dozen references right off quick that will give you more detail, but the nutshell Ontological argument defines God as "that than which nothing greater can be conceived." (It's important to note that this is an argument merely for the existence of God, and does not consider the nature of God, other than defining God exactly as stated.) Anselm argues that existing in reality is greater than existing merely in concept, and concludes that if one defines God as he has, that God (as defined) must exist in reality because that is greater than existing only in the mind.
Regarding perfection and non-deception, while it is not part of the Ontological argument, it could be easy to extend the argument to see that being perfect and non-deceiving is greater than not....
Are most plumbers this philosophical?
I haven't bothered to survey most plumbers. This particular plumber is only a plumber in his own home on evenings and weekends. For a real job he's an engineer who took several philosophy courses (to include philosophy of religion) while he was in school.
Originally posted by RookRAKI am truely flattered to be in dead last on the rankings. 😞
Tournament update!
Here's the current entry list, along with what the seeds would be if we started now.
You'll see I'm on a run and have clawed my way out of the #11 spot - the first person in the bottom half always plays the top seed in round 1.
A few people would like to wait until after the new year to start, so I'll see if I can round up a f ...[text shortened]... zakkwylder1302
17Aiko1281
18invigorate1257
19Freddie20041203
20Whats goin on eh1195
On the other hand, I will get the most attention for every person I beat. 🙂
. . . if I do beat anyone. 🙁