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  1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    30 Sep '18 22:16
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    It is what it is. The fuel gauge can only render data as it sees it. Comparing a fuel gauge with a person is incredibly shallow and, ultimately, self serving. You can twist it around to make it seem to say whatever you want it to say. All gauges and devices like that only generate data and must have a person on the other end to do analysis and to make ...[text shortened]... the data. And no, the data is not "truth" by itself. No matter how "zen" you wanna try and be.
    Aren't we just sensory devices collecting data?
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    30 Sep '18 22:19
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Aren't we just sensory devices collecting data?
    no,
    free thinking intelligence allows us to make decisions based upon data or whim...
    machines have yet to make independent decisions...
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    30 Sep '18 22:21
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    If the fuel gauge says empty and fuel remains in the tank, is the gauge lying, i.e., imparting an untruth?
    no,
    a machine has no autonomy to decide what is "true" or "false", it merely reports data that it is designed to collect...
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    30 Sep '18 22:26
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    When the fuel gauge in your car points to empty, how much fuel remains in the tank?
    you have seen, i hope, that there are gauges designed to collect data, and there are precision gauges designed to collect the same data, only more precisely...
    a fuel gauge is only designed to give the operator of the machine a relative report of one status of his machine...
    for instance,
    would you be willing to assert that the tire pressure in all four tires (or three or two or however many tires you have running or in spare)
    is exactly the same?

    of course not, most humans are not so easily fooled by mere machinery...
  5. SubscriberSuzianne
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    30 Sep '18 23:01
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Aren't we just sensory devices collecting data?
    We can collect data, yes, but our value lies in analyzing said data.

    Gauges do not analyze data, and so we are more than mere gauges.
  6. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    30 Sep '18 23:05
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    We can collect data, yes, but our value lies in analyzing said data.

    Gauges do not analyze data, and so we are more than mere gauges.
    An analyser is a person or device that analyses given data. It examines
    in detail the structure of the given data and tries to find patterns and
    relationships between parts of the data. An analyser can be a piece of
    hardware or a computer program running on a computer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analyser
  7. Standard memberMudfinger
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    01 Oct '18 00:21
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Would you say that the fuel gauge is truthful, but only in a general sense?
    Yes I do, to a degree. But only knowing that "filled up" and "empty" are somewhat malleable in a sense. As for the shape of the tank, have you ever noticed the first half may seem to longer than the second half of the tank?
  8. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    01 Oct '18 01:53
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    It is what it is. The fuel gauge can only render data as it sees it. Comparing a fuel gauge with a person is incredibly shallow and, ultimately, self serving. You can twist it around to make it seem to say whatever you want it to say. All gauges and devices like that only generate data and must have a person on the other end to do analysis and to make ...[text shortened]... the data. And no, the data is not "truth" by itself. No matter how "zen" you wanna try and be.
    I was only trying to start a light-hearted conversation on the elusiveness of truth.

    I'm disappointed that you find the idea incredibly shallow and self-serving.
  9. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    01 Oct '18 04:00
    Originally posted by @mudfinger
    Yes I do, to a degree. But only knowing that "filled up" and "empty" are somewhat malleable in a sense. As for the shape of the tank, have you ever noticed the first half may seem to longer than the second half of the tank?
    Yes, the needle seems to move slower for the top half. Is it psychological?
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    01 Oct '18 04:40
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    When the fuel gauge in your car points to empty, how much fuel remains in the tank?
    hopefully enough to roll upto the next servo. As it so happened before I got here today.. 3 dollars worth of petrol is barely 2 litres... oh well. enough to make it home 🙂

    (there are levels of truth in those words)
  11. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    01 Oct '18 04:42
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Would you say that the fuel gauge is truthful, but only in a general sense?
    a truism you say??
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    01 Oct '18 10:02
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    We can collect data, yes, but our value lies in analyzing said data.

    Gauges do not analyze data, and so we are more than mere gauges.
    Nevertheless, I am a machine for turning tea into database analyses.
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    01 Oct '18 12:57
    Also take into account that People especially in the US are open to go to court on the silliest reasons (think "hot beverage"😉.

    So manufactureres set the empty so that at least some mileage is still in (probably not 100 km in General), so that nobody brings them to court to obtain a horrendous amount of Money since the needle was just on empty and it was already empty.
    "Empty" means: There is still a small rest that even under the worst imaginable circumstances (steepness of road, temperature, Speed, curves,...) Keep the Motor running.
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