nah buggar it i am VDS back purely on the basis that Reina failed to keep out Ferdinands header (not that even spiderman may have stopped that) ;-)
Another reason maybe that which Mr Gray pointed out
"There is suspision that Reina is weak on crosses, it is just that he protected so well week in week out that he has never really been tested".
With that said i am defo having VDS back in the squad.
Originally posted by dan182I see what you mean. I was also considering a 3-5-2 for Liverpool, with Riise and Kewell and the wingers.
I understand what you are saying about Ronaldo, but he has lit up a Euro champs competition, he also had a great first season - fair enough he has been weeker this season. However to date Sissoko has not done anything. So I do not see how you can take him over Ronaldo.
As for the goalies they have both been good since thier arrivals but VDS has achieved mo ...[text shortened]... can take Reina but I certainly would not take Sissoko over Ronaldo on what I have seen to date.
In retrospect, it seems that man for man, allowing for debates, it could be seen as pretty much equal.
Which Euro Champs are you on about? I hope you mean the International one as opposed to the club one, as otherwise I will disagree with you on that. Unfortunately that was for Portugal, so how he fares there doesn't really hold much sway, as at the end of the day we are talking about the Clubs, so club play is far more important. Sissoko has been very good and consistent, which Ronaldo is not. Ronaldo can do some more spectacular things, and get more recognition for that, but can also go missing in games. Sissoko may not be the headline grabber, but he is far more consistent.
Originally posted by welsharnieOfcourse Internationals are relevant because they show the players skill.
I see what you mean. I was also considering a 3-5-2 for Liverpool, with Riise and Kewell and the wingers.
In retrospect, it seems that man for man, allowing for debates, it could be seen as pretty much equal.
Which Euro Champs are you on about? I hope you mean the International one as opposed to the club one, as otherwise I will disagree with you on so go missing in games. Sissoko may not be the headline grabber, but he is far more consistent.
Ronaldo is a more proven player where as Sissoko is an emerging player so for me it is still Ronaldo.
Man for man, Utd are defo stronger allowing for debates or whatever. Liverpool though are a stronger team. I would imagine that both Sissoko and Kromcamp turn out to be good players but half a season is not long enough to judge them for better or worse.
Anyone else care to comment, i make it 7-4 United on the man for man front.
Yes I know that header was unstoppable, hence the comment "Not that spiderman would have stopped that". The cross was a peach no argument but that goal was about the header.
Daniel
Originally posted by dan182Yes, but the point is that Ronaldo excels in the Portuguese team because he plays in a different way there, the position he plays for Manchester Utd does not suit him as much.
Ofcourse Internationals are relevant because they show the players skill.
Ronaldo is a more proven player where as Sissoko is an emerging player so for me it is still Ronaldo.
Man for man, Utd are defo stronger allowing for debates or whatever. Liverpool though are a stronger team. I would imagine that both Sissoko and Kromcamp turn out to be good players ...[text shortened]... stopped that". The cross was a peach no argument but that goal was about the header.
Daniel
Take Joe Cole for example, if he played CM for Chelsea, then LM for England, and was good for Chelsea and amazing for England, would you then in doing a man-for-man comparison with another club, stick him in CM and use his England form to justify how good he is? You cannot do that, as the data does not prove the point you are making.
I'm not sure the man-for-man comparison is well-defined, relevant or revealing. Comparing Sissoko to Ronaldo? Eh? Makes more sense to frame it as Sissoko to Smith/Fletcher (holding role), Alonso to Scholes (box-to-box) and Gerrard to Ronaldo (for those times Gerrard plays out wide on the right). In which case give me Sissoko, Alonso and Gerrard any day, both as individuals playing within those defined roles, and as a collective unit.
In terms of the left back slot, this is a reasonably like-for-like comparison, and though Riise may edge it on account of his versatility (can play let mid), Heinze from what I've seen is by some margin the better defender - positionally he's better than Riise.
Not sure Kromkamp has been brought in to challenge Hyypia; that'll be what Agger's there for. Kromkamp is cover/competition for Finnan (though he can play right midfield). I understand Liverpool have been linked with Daniel Alves, a Brazilian right wing back who definitely could play right midfield if required.
If ever proof were needed of the lack of value of man-to-man comparisons you only need look at Real Madrid, or to a lesser extent Inter Milan. Fine players on paper, at times a shambles collectively on grass.
Without wishing to hijack the thread, who's yer money on for the next England manger?
Originally posted by T1000Big Sam quite likely, maybe Terry Butcher as a long shot.
I'm not sure the man-for-man comparison is well-defined, relevant or revealing. Comparing Sissoko to Ronaldo? Eh? Makes more sense to frame it as Sissoko to Smith/Fletcher (holding role), Alonso to Scholes (box-to-box) and Gerrard to Ronaldo (for those times Gerrard plays out wide on the right). In which case give me Sissoko, Alonso and Gerrard any day, both a ...[text shortened]... .
Without wishing to hijack the thread, who's yer money on for the next England manger?
Originally posted by T1000There was no other point in doing other than just for the sake of it.
If ever proof were needed of the lack of value of man-to-man comparisons you only need look at Real Madrid, or to a lesser extent Inter Milan. Fine players on paper, at times a shambles collectively on grass.
Although I give Utd the edge man for man, i would rather have the better team which liverpool have at the moment.
O'Neil for me would the best choice but to be honest I have no idea.