Originally posted by jlillyOK I was just curious. I haven't really noticed non-meat food at the local stores. I haven't exactly looked for it though. I have some outside cats, and they come to the back door eating mice. One time, one of them was even eating a squirrel. I keep dry food outside all day, so it wasn't from being hungry. They are just natural predators. I imagine something like that would drive a vegan mad.
Vegetarian/vegan pet food has been available for years now.
Originally posted by jlillythat's just horrible. vegans who force their carnivore pets to meatless diets shouldn't be allowed to have pets to begin with.
http://www.vegancats.com/
I mean, that's not only mindbogglingly estranged from nature, but simply sick. leave the poor animals alone!
how's a vegan able to justify keeping a pet in the first place? I'm a devout omnivore, and I still have philosophical problems with keeping pets in city. denying that pet from its natural diet is way past what's acceptable for me.
Originally posted by wormwoodMy cat eats nothing but broccoli, carrots and mashed taters. She's healthier than a horse and twice as big.
that's just horrible. vegans who force their carnivore pets to meatless diets shouldn't be allowed to have pets to begin with.
I mean, that's not only mindbogglingly estranged from nature, but simply sick. leave the poor animals alone!
how's a vegan able to justify keeping a pet in the first place? I'm a devout omnivore, and I still have philosophical ...[text shortened]... pets in city. denying that pet from its natural diet is way past what's acceptable for me.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by smw6869just because it doesn't die right away, doesn't mean there won't be irreversible organ damage in the long run. and when the damage catches up with the poor thing, there might be nothing else left but put it out of its misery.
My cat eats nothing but broccoli, carrots and mashed taters. She's healthier than a horse and twice as big.
GRANNY.
it shouldn't be fat either, but a lean predator chasing mice, moles and birds in the tall grass.
Originally posted by wormwoodI'm no vegan. When she dies i'll eat her.
just because it doesn't die right away, doesn't mean there won't be irreversible organ damage in the long run. and when the damage catches up with the poor thing, there might be nothing else left but put it out of its misery.
it shouldn't be fat either, but a lean predator chasing mice, moles and birds in the tall grass.
GRANNY.
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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsActually, I doubt this would bother most vegans, who tend to have a beef (oh dear) with perceived problems with farming practices, the effects of animal products on human health or the causation of unnecessary suffering. It's possible to have a defensibly vegan lifestyle without objecting to predation of the sort that cats engage in, and I suspect this is the sort of position taken by most vegans.
drive a vegan mad.
I have no problem with subsistence-husbandry or -hunting, for example, or feline predation, but I don't consume animal products reliant on modern, comparatively inefficient and environmentally damaging farming techniques, which is to say I pretty much don't eat any animal products. It's impossible to take absolute ethical positions about practical matters, though. If we all decided not to cause any suffering, we'd all die. To grow the beans that produced the soymilk in the coffee I'm drinking right now caused damage and suffering, but demonstrably less than growing a bunch of cows does, and I've drawn my ethical line at trying to minimise any suffering I cause above that which is minimally necessary for me to not lose certain staying-alive-type Darwinian wars.
(Eliminating animal products from the things one buys is not hard. Minimising use of things like gasoline is actually fun and educative. The hardest part of adhering to my particular ethical line was quitting smoking after I decided it's basically suicide by corporate fellatio.)
EDIT The Soylent Green thing is a good idea. Also, why aren't we running our power plants on our feces 😉?
Originally posted by wormwoodwrecked!
that's just horrible. vegans who force their carnivore pets to meatless diets shouldn't be allowed to have pets to begin with.
how's a vegan able to justify keeping a pet in the first place? I'm a devout omnivore, and I still have philosophical problems with keeping pets in city. .
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsWell my cat died a few years ago aged 19, but I always fed her stuff like Sheba, Whiskas, Gourmet, Go Cat, Felix and the like, with fresh crab sticks for a special treat. As said cat didn't express a moral or dietary disposition to avoiding meat nor ever tried to force it on me, I was only too happy to give her the stuff she liked most. As a consequence, she did me the great decency of never ever bringing it into conversation, so we were both happy.
Dogs, Cats, etc.
I am not a vegan but I am curious.