Originally posted by elvendreamgirlThank you. It's pretty hard to experience something that .....bad.....so early in life, but actually there never was any guilt. The world lost a good man, but I knew he would've forgiven me, so now I can sleep good at night.
ah sweeety, I am so sorry. Sometimes we make bad decisions and we have to live with the outcome. You have to forgive yourself and find something that helps you 'make up" for it. You can't give your friend his life back,, but you can adopt a child or work with children, or somehting tio help others.
You know that it isn't your fault? Your frineds shouldn't have driven either, or someone should have stopped them.
Originally posted by Alpha10Either you're full of shit about this and your story
I was supposed to be the designated driver one time and I got drunk anyways. The people I was supposed to drive home drove home drunk and got into a wreck and 1 died and another one is paralyzed from the neck down. Therapy.........
about knocking up a 14 year old girl, or you've
got some serious issues with personal responsibility.
Hell, you're not even out of high school yet! What
are you doing putting yourself into a situation that calls
for needing a designated driver in the first place!
And then drinking anyway?
Either way, you disgust me.
Dr. Cribs
Originally posted by CribsI could care less whether a poser like yourself likes me or not. Yes, I happen to be a very wild person, but is that any reason for you to judge me? NO. It's very irritating that you people act like you've never done anything wrong in your lives and sit here and criticize me for a few bad decisions. I'm done posting, don't bother responding because I'm not answering
Either you're full of shit about this and your story
about knocking up a 14 year old girl, or you've
got some serious issues with personal responsibility.
Hell, you're not even out of high school yet! What
are you doing putting yourself into a situation that calls
for needing a designated driver in the first place!
And then drinking anyway?
Either way, you disgust me.
Dr. Cribs
Originally posted by Alpha10I'm going to respond for the hell of it, just to hear myself talk.
I could care less whether a poser like yourself likes me or not. Yes, I happen to be a very wild person, but is that any reason for you to judge me? NO. It's very irritating that you people act like you've never done anything wrong in you ...[text shortened]... done posting, don't bother responding because I'm not answering
I have several reasons to judge you. Why do you think
we have a legal drinking age? It's because there are too
many irresponsible children such as yourself. I have every
right to judge you if you break the law and it results in the death
and paralysis of those who were in your care.
I also have every right to judge you when you break the law
and have sex with and impregnate a 14 year old girl.
I will judge you all day long. It's too bad nobody judged you
before. You belong in a detention facility until you learn to
act like a reasonable adult or behave under the rules our
society places on children.
And what disgusts me is that you think you deserve pity
rather than punishment once you come face to face with
the consequences of your actions that were perfectly
forseeable.
Dr. Cribs
Originally posted by CribsYa know, unless you have never done anything wrong EVER in your life, you have no right to judge me. People makes mistakes and people learn from them, so shut the hell up
I'm going to respond for the hell of it, just to hear myself talk.
I have several reasons to judge you. Why do you think
we have a legal drinking age? It's because there are too
many irresponsible children such as yourself. I have every
right to judge you if you break the law and it results in the death
and paralysis of those who were in your care ...[text shortened]... ace to face with
the consequences of your actions that were perfectly
forseeable.
Dr. Cribs
Originally posted by Alpha10Whenever you break the law, society has the right
Ya know, unless you have never done anything wrong EVER in your life, you have no right to judge me. People makes mistakes and people learn from them, so shut the hell up
and responsibility to judge you. They have the
right to fine you, imprison you, or even execute you.
They have the responsibility to protect themselves
from further harm that you may cause. It would
be foolish and irresponsible to not judge you.
Dr. Cribs
Alpha10, you're getting some real tough parenting right now. Kind of hard to take. I 'm here to bring hope to you. You stay tuned to the Ivory Tower thread on Parenting and I can guarantee it's going to be a safe class for you to learn look at you. So jump on the bus and bring your books. Learnin is happenin everyday in the Ivory Tower.
I'm not sure why you find this surprising- where I went to high school driving drunk was like field hockey, except you didn't get a letter. Every yearbook had a few pages at the back, each one given over to someone who had died before graduating- in the one I have one of them died of a disease, and there are a few pages devoted to people who died in car crashes... out of a graduating lass of less than 100- hell, the whole high shool had less than 400 studets, and I'm pretty sure the Freshman class was bigger than the Senior class, by a long shot.
I have no idea how truthful Alpha100 is- but people drinking before they are 21, and dying in car accidents is not that unusual. Known a few people who did exactly that. Also know a few who lived and regretted it.
Originally posted by kirksey957I think I can understand what ya'll are trying to do. But I don't hink I'll be reading the Ivory Tower thread. It's WAY too long and way too many posts
Alpha10, you're getting some real tough parenting right now. Kind of hard to take. I 'm here to bring hope to you. You stay tuned to the Ivory Tower thread on Parenting and I can guarantee it's going to be a safe class for you to learn look at you. So jump on the bus and bring your books. Learnin is happenin everyday in the Ivory Tower.
Originally posted by Alpha10You don't have to read the whole thread. Look at it as you've just moved to a new school because your last one was so inadequate. We pick up from today. Would you please join us?
I think I can understand what ya'll are trying to do. But I don't hink I'll be reading the Ivory Tower thread. It's WAY too long and way too many posts
Ignorethe Ivory thread entirely fpor that matter- I would have at your age. Trust me I did crazier things than you are liely too. But.. remember- this is for real. You really don't get another chance. Other people don't, either. So do dumb stuff- anyone with any sack does at your age- but draw the line where it's likely to kill someone, OK? Some things can't be undone.
I look back, and I go, Damn I got lucky- damn it's surprising my mom wasn't grieving over a coffin when I was 15. I did some crazy stuff. Not everyone I know was so lucky... .Well, no-one can really tell you to be sane, in any way that you will take seriously- no point, really. Just try not to kill yourself, or anyone else. In the first case there are likely other people who would regret it- in the second, you will- worse in a way... some things are hard to forget, and the rest of your life might turn out to be a long time. I'm 33- for me, it already has.... could tell you some stories....
I say this from a certain base of experience. I'd never tell anyone to be responsible as a teenager... pointless, for those of us that are determined not to be. I wouldn't even worry about it too much, as long as everyone gets out alive- but that really is an important point.
Originally posted by mitiegeKirksey, are you going to expel this guy or make him sit through double lessons?
I say this from a certain base of experience. I'd never tell anyone to be responsible as a teenager... pointless, for those of us that are determined not to be. I wouldn't even worry about it too much, as long as everyone gets out alive- but that really is an important point.
Death is not the only consequence of poor choices that one may regret
for a lifetime. Do you need a list? How about...
Drug addictions
Alcoholism
Sexually transmitted diseases
Pregnancies
Felony records
just to name a few, all of which could be avoided by exercising
a little responsibility that you would have teenagers disregard.
It is never too early to start teaching responsibility.
Dr. Cribs
"Death is not the only consequence of poor choices that one may regret
for a lifetime. It is never too early to start teaching responsibility."
First off- I said"I say it from certain base of experiene"... I'm familiar with the consequences- a certain base of experiene there, as well. As I recall they had been explained to me at the time. There comes a point where it is smarter to stop telling people to be responsible and start telling them to try not to die, or kill other people- some kids that's all you can hope for- I was one of them. Maybe Alpha is, maybe he just likes having fun on message boards.
Either way, telling him to be responsible is more about reinforcing your own personal virtue than influencing him... he'll do what he's going to do- I'd prefer to say- "look, man, as someone who has been there, there will come a moment when you know you have gone too far... just remember that other people have hit that wall too- other people who refused to accept the statusquo..., at least when we were young...don't push it, just cause- it's ok not to kill yourself over this".
Our culture lacks an outlet for the warrior... some people are born to fight, and if the only thing they have at hand to fight is the prevailing thing, well... what are you going to do about it? I say, try not to kill anyone.... cause even that sentiment doesn't really succeed that much- I knew every person on the back pages of my yearbook. Every one of them wasawarrior, or the victim of one. Telling people not to be what they are doesn't help- we had heard a lot of that.