Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeI would agree if the player was shouting racist comments that anybody could hear but nobody would have known anything had happened if Zidane hadn't behaved like a thug.
Because racism is an evil archiac notion of hate that STILL persists in modern day football. FIFA have been absolutely pathetic in their efforts to erase it from the game (incidents in Spain, always incidents in the Balkans), and to let it pass between PROFESSIONALS at the HIGHEST possible level would be a [b]disgrace.[/b]
Originally posted by jimslyp69Do you think all the players should carry tape recorders with them so we can review what they said to each other during the match?
I'm not sure. I think perhaps this racism thing has got out of hand. But that's another argument. The fact is that he insulted him. These are people who supposed to be operating on a professional level, and should not resort to such things. If I was working in an office and I started calling, let's say someone who had shown interest in the same promotional ...[text shortened]... myself, a T*** or whatever, should I not be disciplined for calling them?
I think I should.
In your example, do you think the professional response is to head butt your colleague in the chest or to talk to your boss?
If Zidane felt insulted, even racially, he should bring it up with the officials. That's why I say it is utterly irrelevant what was said.
Originally posted by Derfel CadarnZidane shoulda kicked the guys nuts,up into his throat.
What was said to Zidane... This is a disgrace - FIFA need to actually do something for a change. You can't have players making slurs like that against a fellow pro.
From Soccernet; Since Sunday evening the whole World has been debating what Italian defender Marco Materazzi said to Zinedine Zidane to make the retiring Frenchman react in the way he did. ...[text shortened]... h for Man City now" It's at this very point Zidane turned and head-butted him.
Originally posted by Wheely1: No I don't think that the proper response would be to head butt the dude. But it still doesn't alter the fact that the initial behaviour was unproffessional. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Do you think all the players should carry tape recorders with them so we can review what they said to each other during the match?
In your example, do you think the professional response is to head butt your colleague in the chest or to talk to your boss?
If Zidane felt insulted, even racially, he should bring it up with the officials. That's why I say it is utterly irrelevant what was said.
2: No I don't think the players should carry around tape recorders, but if unproffessional conduct is noticed by officials, then it should be dealt with.
3: See point 1.
Originally posted by jimslyp69Forget that! Anyone who talks to another person like that needs his ass professionally kicked!!
1: No I don't think that the proper response would be to head butt the dude. But it still doesn't alter the fact that the initial behaviour was unproffessional. Two wrongs don't make a right.
2: No I don't think the players should carry around tape recorders, but if unproffessional conduct is noticed by officials, then it should be dealt with.
3: See point 1.
Originally posted by jimslyp691) It may well be unprofessional
1: No I don't think that the proper response would be to head butt the dude. But it still doesn't alter the fact that the initial behaviour was unproffessional. Two wrongs don't make a right.
2: No I don't think the players should carry around tape recorders, but if unproffessional conduct is noticed by officials, then it should be dealt with.
3: See point 1.
2) It wasn't noticed by officials.
3) It doesn't excuse Zidane which is what the thread is about.
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Originally posted by Wheely1: I think we agree on this point.
1) It may well be unprofessional
2) It wasn't noticed by officials.
3) It doesn't excuse Zidane which is what the thread is about.
2: It has come to light, in the media, after the game. If it was noticed by the officials during the game, then I'm sure that they would have acted appropriately. ie, carding or warning. But it wasn't. Nonetheless, FIFA are now aware of this proffessional's behaviour now, and are well within their rights to take action against him. It's not the first time that such a thing has been acted on in these circumstances.
3: I never argued that Zidane was within his rights to resort to violence. I think that both the idiots were, well, idiots.
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Originally posted by WheelyIt was a classic case of a big mouth that thought he was bad ,getting knocked flat on his ass.Oh...Poor baby's ass got hurt and maybe the wind knocked out of him...oh boo hoo mean old Zidane.If I were Zidane I would have Pummeled him to a bloody corpse,then ate his heart.
1) It may well be unprofessional
2) It wasn't noticed by officials.
3) It doesn't excuse Zidane which is what the thread is about.
Originally posted by Derfel CadarnI heard it was West Ham and not Man City.
Materazzi finally says.... "you are only good enough for Man City now" It's at this very point Zidane turned and head-butted him.
They both got what they deserved it seems to me. I Just hope it hurt the [censored] bast......
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveSo you're on the "he deserved it" side of this heated debate??
I heard it was West Ham and not Man City.
They both got what they deserved it seems to me. I Just hope it hurt the [censored] bast......
I still dont get the Man city comment ,but the comments about Zidanes mom etc were way over the line.(IMO)