Originally posted by huckleberryhoundThere's 'proof' all over the internet and in medical books and studies - proof both ways that is!!!! Personally, I don't use drugs but twenty-thirty years ago I indulged and from all my own experiences I've not seen amyone suffer from cannabis use. I know other people may have seen things differently and that's fair enough. I believe it's harmless.
no, what i meant is, its for immature people, or teenagers trying to be cool.
Do you have any scientific proof that everyone who uses cannabis, and has detrimental effects "would probably have something else that affected them anyway", or is it just the stoners excuse for any argument they cant win with facts?
If dope was legal, and wasnt fill ...[text shortened]... it in the safety of their ivory tower dont see it, doent make it go away.
No offence 😀
Nobody could alter my views so I don't usually bother discussing it.
I know the truth.
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveIt's clearly not harmless, if you smoke it with tobacco. And there is at least some evidence emerging of potential long-term mental health risks.
There's 'proof' all over the internet and in medical books and studies - proof both ways that is!!!! Personally, I don't use drugs but twenty-thirty years ago I indulged and from all my own experiences I've not seen amyone suffer from cannabis use. I know other people may have seen things differently and that's fair enough. I believe it's harmless. ...[text shortened]... could alter my views so I don't usually bother discussing it.
I know the truth.
A more interesting question is how much more (or less) dangerous it is than, say, a heavy smoking habit.
Originally posted by chancremechanicHow many people smoke marijuana and have psychotic experiences because of it?
What does a fat, drunk, stupid, and bloated drug addict and alcoholic know about the medicinal effects of marijuana, besides the vacation from reality it provides? As a person who studies the nature of THC and the myriad of chemicals in "reefer" and the effects it has on the CNS and the Autonomic Nervous System, Sympathetic/Parasympathetic Nervous System, maybe I know what I'm talking about? Go bathe in the Ganges....you need it
How many people don't smoke marijuana and have psychotic experiences.
When all added up, the statistics will be roughly the same.
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveJust because you believe something, doesnt make it so.
There's 'proof' all over the internet and in medical books and studies - proof both ways that is!!!! Personally, I don't use drugs but twenty-thirty years ago I indulged and from all my own experiences I've not seen amyone suffer from cannabis use. I know other people may have seen things differently and that's fair enough. I believe it's harmless. ...[text shortened]... could alter my views so I don't usually bother discussing it.
I know the truth.
To prove this, i am now going to claim to believe something that is not true. . . .
I crashed my car once and did not die, therefore i believe that crashing your car is harmless to everyone involved.
Do you see how this works?? I could back this up with episodes of Dirty sanchez, or burt reynolds movies. . . .Do you see how this works???
I am not going to turn this into a farce by listing all the things i could claim by my own experiences, but i hope this goes some way to prove my point.
And i've nothing against Shav either
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI didn't say it was true BECAUSE I believe it to be so.
Just because you believe something, doesnt make it so.
To prove this, i am now going to claim to believe something that is not true. . . .
I crashed my car once and did not die, therefore i believe that crashing your car is harmless to everyone involved.
Do you see how this works?? I could back this up with episodes of Dirty sanche ...[text shortened]... e this goes some way to prove my point.
And i've nothing against Shav either
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[I believe it's true from what I've seen and experienced]
Likewise, just because you believe it's harmful or whatever, doesn't make that a fact either.
What are you basing your beliefs on?
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveThis is a site for a scientific study into the detrimental effects of Cannabis.
I didn't say it was true BECAUSE I believe it to be so.
[I believe it's true from what I've seen and experienced]
Likewise, just because you believe it's harmful or whatever, doesn't make that a fact either.
What are you basing your beliefs on?
www.fhi.se/upload/PDF/2004/English/r200446adversehealthconsequencescannabis0503.pdf
Now Do you really want me to offer proof that Cannabis sale Profits end up in the hands of organised crime???
If you do i take that as an insult both to my intelligence, and yours.
Peace 🙂😀😉
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundLike I already said there's sites 'proving' it both ways.
This is a site for a scientific study into the detrimental effects of Cannabis.
www.fhi.se/upload/PDF/2004/English/r200446adversehealthconsequencescannabis0503.pdf
Now Do you really want me to offer proof that Cannabis sale Profits end up in the hands of organised crime???
If you do i take that as an insult both to my intelligence, and yours.
Peace 🙂😀😉
Everyone knows the profits go to criminals, or else it wouldn't be illegal.
QUOTE from; http://www.ukcia.org/politics/studies.html
You see all the issues have already been discussed, all the evidence already sifted through and examined, in a number of major governmental reviews and working groups, all over the world, in the last 100 years. Every one of these studies has discovered that cannabis is safe, and it's use should not be subject to any criminal penalties. Yet most governments ignore the findings of the experts they appoint.
Peace. 😉
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveBut basing your opinion on "i had a joint once, and i'm fine", followed by the classic "i believe its ok because of my experiences" (paraphrasing). would not stand up in court.
Like I already said there's sites 'proving' it both ways.
Everyone knows the profits go to criminals, or else it wouldn't be illegal.
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I have to agree with the 'flag waving knobhead' on this one.
I smoke occasionally and I don't think it's changing my psychological behaviour: I was always fairly fuct anyway.
I have noticed that prolonged, daily, use can cause people to withdraw and certainly become more insular. With this insularity comes a parochial outlook, reduced social interaction. Eventually, one friend, in particular, wouldn't leave the house, and started accusing his mates of talking about him and "plotting" behind his back.
In fairness to Shav though these guys were smoking round the clock, and I have seen far worse effects on close friends from alcohol than dope.
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Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveSir. I consider any site which has a Cannabis leaf prominently shown on entry, as ever so slightly Bias in one direction. Like i said, i could prove anything from the existance of aliens,
Like I already said there's sites 'proving' it both ways.
Everyone knows the profits go to criminals, or else it wouldn't be illegal.
QUOTE from; http://www.ukcia.org/politics/studies.html
You see all the issues have already been discussed, all the evidence already sifted through and examined, in a number of major governmental reviews and ties. Yet most governments ignore the findings of the experts they appoint.
Peace. 😉
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to denying the Holocaust ever happened. . .
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. . .by unscientific clustering of data.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI don't think there has ever been a confirmed death by cannabis, and that includes driving under the influence.
But basing your opinion on "i had a joint once, and i'm fine", followed by the classic "i believe its ok because of my experiences" (paraphrasing). would not stand up in court.
The only harmful illnesses alleged to be caused are invisible ones - ie. mental illness/depression etc etc. Who can say for sure that they wouldn't have occurred anyway? Any respiratory problems seem to be due to the method of using it or mixing it with tobacco.
By "my experiences" I mean what I have observed over the years mainly and not my use of cannabis, which was not extensive anyway.
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelovehow scientific of you...
"Who can say for sure that they wouldn't have occurred anyway? " Any respiratory problems seem to be due to the method of using it or mixing it with tobacco.
www.fhi.se/upload/PDF/2004/English/r200446adversehealthconsequencescannabis0503.pdf
'By "my experiences" I mean what I have observed over the years mainly and not my use of cannabis, which was not extensive anyway'
Quote from you....i rest my case.
Peace
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