While posters on this thread may have become middle-class thanks to social mobility and the actualization of personal aspirations, they need to have been born to working-class parents in order to contribute. Middle-class posters in denial about their working-class roots should start a separate thread.
@fmf saidI'm not sure how to respond, since I'm not sure what you're asking about. However I was born middle class and stayed that way, though in a different field from my father. My father, a WW2 Vet was a union construction worker from the 40's through the late 70's (before organized labor became dirty words) I grew up in a small 3 bedroom suburban home. After finishing school, I worked for an inventory co. landscaping co. Security guard, telemarketer, and am now a freelance medical biller. I've had both good and bad economic times these last 40+ years, but was never in denial about my working-class roots.
While posters on this thread may have become middle-class thanks to social mobility and the actualization of personal aspirations, they need to have been born to working-class parents in order to contribute. Middle-class posters in denial about their working-class roots should start a separate thread.
@mchill saidThanks for your response.
I'm not sure how to respond, since I'm not sure what you're asking about. However I was born middle class and stayed that way, though in a different field from my father. My father, a WW2 Vet was a union construction worker from the 40's through the late 70's (before organized labor became dirty words) I grew up in a small 3 bedroom suburban home. After finishing school, I wor ...[text shortened]... d and bad economic times these last 40+ years, but was never in denial about my working-class roots.
You said:
"I was born middle class and stayed that way ..., but was never in denial about my working-class roots."
I am sure the apparent contradiction here is due to a misunderstanding on my part. Can you explain?
@fmf saidHi,
While posters on this thread may have become middle-class thanks to social mobility and the actualization of personal aspirations, they need to have been born to working-class parents in order to contribute. Middle-class posters in denial about their working-class roots should start a separate thread.
Are you asking if your vision of the word class as in relation to where their parents were at again in your vision when they were born and someone’s ability to make post according to your personal vision of the word to be able to contribute to a thread? If so where did you start at in your imagination.
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@mike69 saidJust read my OP and make of it what you will. Don't let whatever my "personal vision" of anything might be inhibit you.
Are you asking if your vision of the word class as in relation to where their parents were at again in your vision when they were born and someone’s ability to make post according to your personal vision of the word to be able to contribute to a thread?
@fmf saidI did the upwards way. Being born into relatively poor conditions (four children in one room, no vacations, no membership in any club, no going out for meals, except on very few occasions, no pocket money). I am now rather well off (upper half of the scoiety in both income and wealth). My parents also rose to the upper half of society ion that time. One of my brothers still is definitely in the lowest quarter of wleath and income (though being a self-empolyed landscape gardener).
While posters on this thread may have become middle-class thanks to social mobility and the actualization of personal aspirations, they need to have been born to working-class parents in order to contribute. Middle-class posters in denial about their working-class roots should start a separate thread.
@ponderable saidA bit of banter that comes up when Dutch ex-pats booze with British ex-pats is the ostensible Dutch view that Britons are "obsessed" with social class while the Dutch themselves are not.
I did the upwards way. Being born into relatively poor conditions (four children in one room, no vacations, no membership in any club, no going out for meals, except on very few occasions, no pocket money). I am now rather well off (upper half of the scoiety in both income and wealth). My parents also rose to the upper half of society ion that time. One of my brothers stil ...[text shortened]... nitely in the lowest quarter of wleath and income (though being a self-empolyed landscape gardener).
What about the Germans? Is social class one of the things they see in their navel when they contemplate it? How do Germans perceive the Dutch and the British in this regard?
@fmf saidI perceive it that "class" is not really a question. Germans like the narrative that everything was set to zero with the end of WW2 (which is of course not correct, there were vast differences).
A bit of banter that comes up when Dutch ex-pats booze with British ex-pats is the ostensible Dutch view that Britons are "obsessed" with social class while the Dutch themselves are not.
What about the Germans? Is social class one of the things they see in their navel when they contemplate it? How do Germans perceive the Dutch and the British in this regard?
The English are perceived to be a scoeity with very clear distinction between "classes" This comes also from a lot of movies and TV series depicting the society of the outgoing 19th and beginning 20th century (think House at eton Place, or lately Downton Abbey).
As far as I can say the Dutch are more or less regarded as being more or less teh same as Germans minus the obsession with rules.
@fmf saidI was born on a council estate lived there for 20 years ,my father was a gas fitter, mother a seamstress, I became a floorlayer, my wife had a variety of jobs from shop assistant to school cook we lived on a council estate for 12 years untill 100% mortgages were offered at that point we joined the property ladder we both carried on working ,I opened my own flooring firm but stayed on the tools untill I wound the firm up to become a carer for my wife I still consider myself working class, my daughter worked in a butchers was a barmaid untill she qualified as a teacher, my son worked in a call center and as a nurse in a mental hospital until he qualified as a teacher both I suspect consider themselves working class, i cannot vouch for their spouses, the old saying you can take the boy out of BERWICK HILLS but you cant take BERWICK HILLS out of the boy.
While posters on this thread may have become middle-class thanks to social mobility and the actualization of personal aspirations, they need to have been born to working-class parents in order to contribute. Middle-class posters in denial about their working-class roots should start a separate thread.