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  1. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Sep '04 10:56
    there are many strong human players at rhp.
    there are also computers in use.
    they mix together naturally.
    the computers do not ruin the game - they give our best players a challenge!
    computers will play amongst us whether we like it or not.
    let the computers play openly.
    make them admit to being a computer, and let them play.
    flex:-)
  2. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Sep '04 10:57 / 3 edits
    to demonstrate how computers are a benefit i show the move sequence of our player "dscp"

    618738 dscp vs historybites 2104 1343 Sep 11 16:58 In progress View game history
    628054 fhbchess vs dscp 1625 2104 Sep 11 16:58 In progress View game history
    628464 pendejo vs dscp 1668 2104 Sep 11 16:48 In progress View game history
    656294 stammer vs dscp 1438 2104 Sep 11 16:38 In progress View game history
    656297 dscp vs stammer 2104 1438 Sep 11 16:28 In progress View game history
    667254 dscp vs Summalogicae 2104 1668 Sep 11 16:18 In progress View game history
    667259 Summalogicae vs dscp 1668 2104 Sep 11 16:08 In progress View game history
    669124 saffa73 vs dscp 1174 2104 Sep 11 15:58 In progress View game history
    669128 dscp vs saffa73 2104 1174 Sep 11 15:58

    i have watched this exact 10 minute pattern regularly in his/her/it's games.
    dscp is clearly a computer, - but noone has complained.
    dscp plays good fast chess.
    please do not ban dscp.
    dscp has played hundreds of games and been a part of our chess scene.
  3. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Sep '04 22:19 / 1 edit
    http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?p1name=dscp&p2name=&showgamescode=I

    627953 dscp vs Lazerblue 2106 1370 Sep 12 02:04 In progress View game history
    656366 puzzler77 vs dscp 1359 2106 Sep 12 01:54 In progress View game history
    656369 dscp vs puzzler77 2106 1359 Sep 12 01:44 In progress View game history
    669175 mikeviking vs dscp 1449 2106 Sep 12 01:34 In progress View game history
    675943 mikeviking vs dscp 1449 2106 Sep 12 01:24 In progress View game history
    675950 dscp vs mikeviking 2106 1449 Sep 12 01:14 In progress View game history

    and i repeat:
    i have watched this exact 10 minute pattern regularly in his/her/it's games.
    dscp is clearly a computer, - but noone has complained.
    dscp plays good fast chess.
    please do not ban dscp.
    dscp has played hundreds of games and been a part of our chess scene.
  4. 11 Sep '04 22:27
    Flex, do you have some other 'proof' that dscp is using a program to make his moves, apart from taking 10 minutes for each move? Because I'm not sure this 10 minute business proves anything at all.
  5. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Sep '04 22:30 / 7 edits
    Originally posted by David Tebb
    Flex, do you have some other 'proof' that dscp is using a program to make his moves, apart from taking 10 minutes for each move? Because I'm not sure this 10 minute business proves anything at all.
    have a look at dscp's earliest games, and see an incredible rise from a rating of 1100 or so to 2100 in just a matter of minutes,

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?col=0&state=asc&p1uid=64347&showgamescode=F&page=22

    unfortunately, when you play through dscp's early games,you will see some problems with the database of moves, for example when he beat mossgroup Game 415116 , and when he was beaten by the cheshire cat Game 419274 .
    i do not know how these database errors arise.

    also
    644629 koen vs dscp 1745 2106 Sep 11 23:31 In progress View game history
    644634 dscp vs koen 2106 1745 Sep 11 23:21 In progress View game history
    651478 Mephisto2 vs dscp 2168 2106 Sep 11 23:19 In progress View game history
    651479 dscp vs Mephisto2 2106 2168 Sep 11 23:19 In progress View game history
    656360 lamers vs dscp 1592 2106 Sep 11 23:11 In progress View game history
    656367 dscp vs lamers 2106 1592 Sep 11 23:01 In progress View game history
    669112 koen vs dscp 1745 2106 Sep 11 22:51 In progress View game history
    669125 dscp vs koen 2106 1745 Sep 11 22:51 In progress View game history
    675947 SirLoseALot vs dscp 1749 2106 Sep 11 22:41 In progress View game history
    675951 dscp vs SirLoseALot 2106 1749 Sep 11 22:41 In progress View game history
    628464 pendejo vs dscp 1661 2106 Sep 11 22:40 In progress View game history
    665679 dscp vs ericfrelicot 2106 1801 Sep 11 22:20 In progress View game history
    665686 ericfrelicot vs dscp 1801 2106 Sep 11 22:10 In progress View game history

  6. 11 Sep '04 22:48
    Originally posted by flexmore
    have a look at dscp's earliest games, and see an incredible rise from a rating of 1100 or so to 2100 in just a matter of minutes,

    Unfortunately, his profile only shows a graph of his last 300 games, when he was already a highly-rated player. It's hard to locate the point where he suddenly improved.

    Couldn't he have just become a better player, maybe reading a few chess books, putting in some study and making a bigger effort to concentrate and avoid blundering? This does happen sometimes.
  7. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Sep '04 22:51
    Originally posted by David Tebb
    Unfortunately, his profile only shows a graph of his last 300 games, when he was already a highly-rated player. It's hard to locate the point where he suddenly improved.

    Couldn't he have just become a better player, maybe reading a few chess books, putting in some study and making a bigger effort to concentrate and avoid blundering? This does happen sometimes.
    i agree,
    this happens regularly.

    but combine this with the 10 minute thing (i have seen this for some weeks now) and it is clear.
  8. 11 Sep '04 22:56 / 2 edits
    If I recall it correctly, he did make a couple of pretty serious errors in our games (i.e. losing a quality or a full pawn, take a look!), so to me it isn't that likely, the pattern of moves you showed shouldn't have anything to do with it, but the games he played in the beginning are indeed suspicous. But then again, David is right, people do improve over time!

    Can't be sure. Maybe we should just stop bothering.

    O.
  9. 11 Sep '04 22:57
    Originally posted by flexmore
    i agree,
    this happens regularly.

    but combine this with the 10 minute thing (i have seen this for some weeks now) and it is clear.
    But he might have deliberately developed a habit of spending 10 minutes thinking about every move, deciding what to play, checking for blunders, etc, as a (successful) way to heighten his concentration and reduce his mistakes. He could have been taught that method by a coach, or seen it recommended in a training manual.
  10. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Sep '04 22:58
    Originally posted by LivingLegend
    ..... Maybe we just should stop bothering.

    O.

    my point exactly!!

    just let him play!

    (let him say in his profile what program and machine he uses)
  11. Standard member fawcr01
    Headless chicken
    11 Sep '04 23:05
    Originally posted by flexmore
    http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?col=0&state=asc&p1uid=64347&showgamescode=F&page=22

    unfortunately, when you play through dscp's early games,you will see some problems with the database of moves, for example when he beat mossgroup Game 415116 , and when he was beaten by the cheshire cat Game 419274 .
    i do not know how these database errors arise.
    That is very odd. In Game 415116 black's 18th move is moved by a white piece????
  12. Donation bbarr
    Chief Justice
    11 Sep '04 23:09
    Originally posted by fawcr01
    That is very odd. In Game 415116 black's 18th move is moved by a white piece????
    Whoah! That's bizzare.
  13. 12 Sep '04 00:17
    Originally posted by flexmore
    there are many strong human players at rhp.
    there are also computers in use.
    they mix together naturally.
    the computers do not ruin the game - they give our best players a challenge!
    computers will play amongst us whether we like it or not.
    let the computers play openly.
    make them admit to being a computer, and let them play.
    flex:-)
    The only time I wished there was a' Not Recommended' button.
  14. Standard member wib
    Stay outta my biznez
    12 Sep '04 01:13
    Originally posted by fawcr01
    That is very odd. In Game 415116 black's 18th move is moved by a white piece????
    Not only did white somehow move out of turn, but he managed to play Na8 to c8?

    I'm gonna assume that's just some glitch in the database where the game was saved or something, though it's extremely odd and I have no explanation for how that could happen.

    Anyway, I gotta remember that 2 square horizontal knight move. That'll make a dandy surprise weapon! :-)
  15. Standard member Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    12 Sep '04 07:19
    Originally posted by wib
    Not only did white somehow move out of turn, but he managed to play Na8 to c8?

    I'm gonna assume that's just some glitch in the database where the game was saved or something, though it's extremely odd and I have no explanation for how that could happen.

    Anyway, I gotta remember that 2 square horizontal knight move. That'll make a dandy surprise weapon! :-)
    When i started here there was a bug in the board for a few days that allowed a player to move their opponents pieces on their move. It's not the database i don't think.

    As for dscp, i've said before, i have a draw with him that i have analysed with fritz (after the game of course!). He let a won position slip into a draw, a mistake that a computer simply would not have made.

    Game 447288