there are many strong human players at rhp.
there are also computers in use.
they mix together naturally.
the computers do not ruin the game - they give our best players a challenge!
computers will play amongst us whether we like it or not.
let the computers play openly.
make them admit to being a computer, and let them play.
flex:-)
to demonstrate how computers are a benefit i show the move sequence of our player "dscp"
618738 dscp vs historybites 2104 1343 Sep 11 16:58 In progress View game history
628054 fhbchess vs dscp 1625 2104 Sep 11 16:58 In progress View game history
628464 pendejo vs dscp 1668 2104 Sep 11 16:48 In progress View game history
656294 stammer vs dscp 1438 2104 Sep 11 16:38 In progress View game history
656297 dscp vs stammer 2104 1438 Sep 11 16:28 In progress View game history
667254 dscp vs Summalogicae 2104 1668 Sep 11 16:18 In progress View game history
667259 Summalogicae vs dscp 1668 2104 Sep 11 16:08 In progress View game history
669124 saffa73 vs dscp 1174 2104 Sep 11 15:58 In progress View game history
669128 dscp vs saffa73 2104 1174 Sep 11 15:58
i have watched this exact 10 minute pattern regularly in his/her/it's games.
dscp is clearly a computer, - but noone has complained.
dscp plays good fast chess.
please do not ban dscp.
dscp has played hundreds of games and been a part of our chess scene.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?p1name=dscp&p2name=&showgamescode=I
627953 dscp vs Lazerblue 2106 1370 Sep 12 02:04 In progress View game history
656366 puzzler77 vs dscp 1359 2106 Sep 12 01:54 In progress View game history
656369 dscp vs puzzler77 2106 1359 Sep 12 01:44 In progress View game history
669175 mikeviking vs dscp 1449 2106 Sep 12 01:34 In progress View game history
675943 mikeviking vs dscp 1449 2106 Sep 12 01:24 In progress View game history
675950 dscp vs mikeviking 2106 1449 Sep 12 01:14 In progress View game history
and i repeat:
i have watched this exact 10 minute pattern regularly in his/her/it's games.
dscp is clearly a computer, - but noone has complained.
dscp plays good fast chess.
please do not ban dscp.
dscp has played hundreds of games and been a part of our chess scene.
Originally posted by David Tebbhave a look at dscp's earliest games, and see an incredible rise from a rating of 1100 or so to 2100 in just a matter of minutes,
Flex, do you have some other 'proof' that dscp is using a program to make his moves, apart from taking 10 minutes for each move? Because I'm not sure this 10 minute business proves anything at all.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?col=0&state=asc&p1uid=64347&showgamescode=F&page=22
unfortunately, when you play through dscp's early games,you will see some problems with the database of moves, for example when he beat mossgroup Game 415116 , and when he was beaten by the cheshire cat Game 419274 .
i do not know how these database errors arise.
also
644629 koen vs dscp 1745 2106 Sep 11 23:31 In progress View game history
644634 dscp vs koen 2106 1745 Sep 11 23:21 In progress View game history
651478 Mephisto2 vs dscp 2168 2106 Sep 11 23:19 In progress View game history
651479 dscp vs Mephisto2 2106 2168 Sep 11 23:19 In progress View game history
656360 lamers vs dscp 1592 2106 Sep 11 23:11 In progress View game history
656367 dscp vs lamers 2106 1592 Sep 11 23:01 In progress View game history
669112 koen vs dscp 1745 2106 Sep 11 22:51 In progress View game history
669125 dscp vs koen 2106 1745 Sep 11 22:51 In progress View game history
675947 SirLoseALot vs dscp 1749 2106 Sep 11 22:41 In progress View game history
675951 dscp vs SirLoseALot 2106 1749 Sep 11 22:41 In progress View game history
628464 pendejo vs dscp 1661 2106 Sep 11 22:40 In progress View game history
665679 dscp vs ericfrelicot 2106 1801 Sep 11 22:20 In progress View game history
665686 ericfrelicot vs dscp 1801 2106 Sep 11 22:10 In progress View game history
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Originally posted by flexmoreUnfortunately, his profile only shows a graph of his last 300 games, when he was already a highly-rated player. It's hard to locate the point where he suddenly improved.
have a look at dscp's earliest games, and see an incredible rise from a rating of 1100 or so to 2100 in just a matter of minutes,
Couldn't he have just become a better player, maybe reading a few chess books, putting in some study and making a bigger effort to concentrate and avoid blundering? This does happen sometimes.
Originally posted by David Tebbi agree,
Unfortunately, his profile only shows a graph of his last 300 games, when he was already a highly-rated player. It's hard to locate the point where he suddenly improved.
Couldn't he have just become a better player, maybe reading a few chess books, putting in some study and making a bigger effort to concentrate and avoid blundering? This does happen sometimes.
this happens regularly.
but combine this with the 10 minute thing (i have seen this for some weeks now) and it is clear.
If I recall it correctly, he did make a couple of pretty serious errors in our games (i.e. losing a quality or a full pawn, take a look!), so to me it isn't that likely, the pattern of moves you showed shouldn't have anything to do with it, but the games he played in the beginning are indeed suspicous. But then again, David is right, people do improve over time!
Can't be sure. Maybe we should just stop bothering. 🙂
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Originally posted by flexmoreBut he might have deliberately developed a habit of spending 10 minutes thinking about every move, deciding what to play, checking for blunders, etc, as a (successful) way to heighten his concentration and reduce his mistakes. He could have been taught that method by a coach, or seen it recommended in a training manual.
i agree,
this happens regularly.
but combine this with the 10 minute thing (i have seen this for some weeks now) and it is clear.
Originally posted by flexmoreThat is very odd. In Game 415116 black's 18th move is moved by a white piece????
http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/viewpublicgames.php?col=0&state=asc&p1uid=64347&showgamescode=F&page=22
unfortunately, when you play through dscp's early games,you will see some problems with the database of moves, for example when he beat mossgroup Game 415116 , and when he was beaten by the cheshire cat Game 419274 .
i do not know how these database errors arise.
Originally posted by fawcr01Whoah! That's bizzare.
That is very odd. In Game 415116 black's 18th move is moved by a white piece????
Originally posted by flexmoreThe only time I wished there was a' Not Recommended' button.ðŸ˜
there are many strong human players at rhp.
there are also computers in use.
they mix together naturally.
the computers do not ruin the game - they give our best players a challenge!
computers will play amongst us whether we like it or not.
let the computers play openly.
make them admit to being a computer, and let them play.
flex:-)
Originally posted by fawcr01Not only did white somehow move out of turn, but he managed to play Na8 to c8?
That is very odd. In Game 415116 black's 18th move is moved by a white piece????
I'm gonna assume that's just some glitch in the database where the game was saved or something, though it's extremely odd and I have no explanation for how that could happen.
Anyway, I gotta remember that 2 square horizontal knight move. That'll make a dandy surprise weapon! :-)
Originally posted by wibWhen i started here there was a bug in the board for a few days that allowed a player to move their opponents pieces on their move. It's not the database i don't think.
Not only did white somehow move out of turn, but he managed to play Na8 to c8?
I'm gonna assume that's just some glitch in the database where the game was saved or something, though it's extremely odd and I have no explanation for how that could happen.
Anyway, I gotta remember that 2 square horizontal knight move. That'll make a dandy surprise weapon! :-)
As for dscp, i've said before, i have a draw with him that i have analysed with fritz (after the game of course!). He let a won position slip into a draw, a mistake that a computer simply would not have made.
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