10 Aug 06
i dont know if this is so good for white i was just thinking about it it would be like reversed caro-kann which i think would be much better but if:
1.c3?! d4
2.c4?!
which would be pretty nice for white but maybe a waste of a tempo in some opinions...
what do you think?
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by moon 111What?!?! How is this good for white?? Fix your annotations. 1.c3? d4!!!!!!! An impossible move! 2.c4?? How does this help white out at all?
i dont know if this is so good for white i was just thinking about it it would be like reversed caro-kann which i think would be much better but if:
1.c3?! d4
2.c4?!
which would be pretty nice for white but maybe a waste of a tempo in some opinions...
what do you think?
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by moon 111Caro-Kann only works for black, because it has a chance to offer equality. White wants an advantage, not equality. Also, white has already committed himself to the e4 square so it allows black an immediate chance to strike back in the enter with d5, with the line you gave white doesn't have a chance to fight for center control. Anyhow...
1.c3?! caro-kannish opening
1.d4 blocking caro kannish opening
2.c4 offering this gambit if he takes it will lead to: 2.dxc4 3.e3 3.b5 4.Nc3 4.a6 5.a4 and its over white wins
1.c3? I guess this fights for d4? but why not gain more space by playing e4, d4, or c4 and fight for control of d5 or e5.
1...d4 I told you, this isn't possible, you mean 1...d5 Black's already gaining space and fighting for e5, it looks like equality has been reached!
2.c4? What? Wasting a tempo. Black can't win the pawn outright because of things like 2...dxc4 3.Qa4+, but black doesn't have to try to win the pawn. Here he could play 2...e5 2...Nf6 or many other moves and have a strong position before move 3!
And the line you gave is by no means a win for white. I continued the line in F9 and got an even game (.24) after 8 moves. There are many problems with the opening you gave.
1.It doesn't gain much space for white.
2.It wastes a tempo for no reason....
3.You aren't developing!
4.It hands central control right over to black.
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by cmsMasterAlso, you didn't even consider that black has many other options after 1.c3 i.e. 1...e5, 1...c5, and 1...Nf6.
Caro-Kann only works for black, because it has a chance to offer equality. White wants an advantage, not equality. Also, white has already committed himself to the e4 square so it allows black an immediate chance to strike back in the enter with d5, with the line you gave white doesn't have a chance to fight for center control. Anyhow...
1.c3? I guess ...[text shortened]... no reason....
3.You aren't developing!
4.It hands central control right over to black.
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by moon 111Better is
i dont know if this is so good for white i was just thinking about it it would be like reversed caro-kann which i think would be much better but if:
1.c3?! d4
2.c4?!
which would be pretty nice for white but maybe a waste of a tempo in some opinions...
what do you think?
1. d3 d5
2. d4
Until Fritz8 it was a good way of getting an engine out of the book.
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by ThudanBlunderNo that isn't better! Listen, you ready for this moon? You ready for the greatest way to open a game ever? You may want a board for this, because it's a complicated variation. Ok, got it? Ready?
Better is
1. d3 d5
2. d4
Until Fritz8 it was a good way of getting an engine out of the book.
1.e4
10 Aug 06
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Originally posted by cmsMasterAs White I used to play 1. e3 and the game would go
No that isn't better! Listen, you ready for this moon? You ready for the greatest way to open a game ever? You may want a board for this, because it's a complicated variation. Ok, got it? Ready?
1.e4
1.........e5
2. e4 Nf6
3. Nc3 Bb4
Thus the game would be a reversed Ruy and the engine would be out of its book. If you prefer to play against centuries of theory, that's up to you.
11 Aug 06
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Originally posted by ThudanBlunderIf you prefer to waste tempi that's up to you.
As White I used to play 1. e3 and the game would go
1.........e5
2. e4 Nf6
3. Nc3 Bb4
Thus the game would be a reversed Ruy and the engine would be out of its book. If you prefer to play against centuries of theory, that's up to you.