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  1. 09 Feb '06 21:20
    Since openings are everyones favorite topic =) what do you all play against 1.f4?

    I run into this in blitz sometimes and I generally play
    1.. Nc6
    2. e4 e5
    3. Nf3 exf4

    transposing into a kings gambit accepted. I played the white side of that for so many years that is a comfortable game for me. What else can white play after 1 ... Nc6 to avoid the kings gambit?I'm just curious how you all treat 1. f4? My thoughts are basically that the english is fine, but f4 is a bit more risky as it exposes your kingside...


    ok, I admit, I am just bored at work and want to talk chess =)
  2. Standard member gambit05
    Mad Murdock
    09 Feb '06 21:30
    Originally posted by zebano
    Since openings are everyones favorite topic =) what do you all play against 1.f4?

    I run into this in blitz sometimes and I generally play
    1.. Nc6
    2. e4 e5
    3. Nf3 exf4

    transposing into a kings gambit accepted. I played the white side of that for so many years that is a comfortable game for me. What else can white play after 1 ... Nc6 to avoid the king ...[text shortened]... it exposes your kingside...


    ok, I admit, I am just bored at work and want to talk chess =)
    I have been never confronted with 1. f4 as far as I remember. I would probably play 1....c5 with the chance to transpose it in some sort of Sicilian.
  3. 09 Feb '06 21:35
    Originally posted by zebano
    Since openings are everyones favorite topic =) what do you all play against 1.f4?

    I run into this in blitz sometimes and I generally play
    1.. Nc6
    2. e4 e5
    3. Nf3 exf4

    transposing into a kings gambit accepted. I played the white side of that for so many years that is a comfortable game for me. What else can white play after 1 ... Nc6 to avoid the king ...[text shortened]... it exposes your kingside...


    ok, I admit, I am just bored at work and want to talk chess =)
    1...Nf6 so I can wait and see what type of formation White will adopt.

    I'll usually follow with 2...b6 though. It seems like the right move as White has weakened the key h1-18 diagonal with his early f-pawn movement.
  4. Standard member Grandmouster
    ChessObsessed
    09 Feb '06 21:36
    Originally posted by zebano
    Since openings are everyones favorite topic =) what do you all play against 1.f4?

    I run into this in blitz sometimes and I generally play
    1.. Nc6
    2. e4 e5
    3. Nf3 exf4

    transposing into a kings gambit accepted. I played the white side of that for so many years that is a comfortable game for me. What else can white play after 1 ... Nc6 to avoid the king ...[text shortened]... it exposes your kingside...


    ok, I admit, I am just bored at work and want to talk chess =)
    Are you saying that sometimes your opponent flips you the Bird?
  5. 09 Feb '06 21:43
    Originally posted by Grandmouster
    Are you saying that sometimes your opponent flips you the Bird?
    That is exactly what I am saying. The b6, Bb7 idea sounds good, but I like to get e5 out there and contest the center. I suppose that d5 would work just as well but would not work as well with Bb7.
  6. 09 Feb '06 21:51
    I play d5, freeing the Queen's bishop. Basically reverse Dutch, but white is now that move ahead.
  7. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    09 Feb '06 21:59 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by zebano
    Since openings are everyones favorite topic =) what do you all play against 1.f4?

    I run into this in blitz sometimes and I generally play
    1.. Nc6
    2. e4 e5
    3. Nf3 exf4

    transposing into a kings gambit accepted. I played the white side of that for so many years that is a comfortable game for me. What else can white play after 1 ... Nc6 to avoid the king it exposes your kingside...


    ok, I admit, I am just bored at work and want to talk chess =)
    1...e5 can be fun.

    Tournament 793

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  8. Donation !~TONY~!
    1...c5!
    10 Feb '06 00:30
    After 1..Nc6, I would be seriously tempted to play 2. d4! transposing into a stonewall attack where black should definitely have played c5 before Nc6. Because of this option, which I think is pretty strong in this case, I wouldn't play 1..Nc6.
  9. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    10 Feb '06 02:30
    1.f4 b5!!
  10. Standard member coentje
    Plop!
    10 Feb '06 18:47
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    1...e5 can be fun.

    Tournament 793

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    Normally d5 (following the main line) e5 can be fun but is way to scary for me.
  11. 10 Feb '06 22:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by !~TONY~!
    After 1..Nc6, I would be seriously tempted to play 2. d4! transposing into a stonewall attack where black should definitely have played c5 before Nc6. Because of this option, which I think is pretty strong in this case, I wouldn't play 1..Nc6.
    Actually ..c5 is not an essential move against the Stonewall Attack. After 1.f4 Nc4 2.d4 d5 3.e3 Bf5 4.Nf3 e6 5.Bb5 a6 6.Bxc6+ bxc6 7.c4 Bd6 Black has a fine game. Pushing ..c5 is not really necessary against the Stonewall as long as you get your QB out to counteract white's KB. I would gladly play this position as Black if you're willing to try.

  12. 11 Feb '06 00:12 / 2 edits
    Yeah, whats wrong with 1 ...e5 aka the From Gambit.

    Equally White can transposed back into the King's Gambit with 2. f4!
  13. 11 Feb '06 12:56
    Originally posted by Oddjob291
    Yeah, whats wrong with 1 ...e5 aka the From Gambit.

    Equally White can transposed back into the King's Gambit with 2. f4!
    You mean 2.e4
  14. 11 Feb '06 15:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Oddjob291
    Yeah, whats wrong with 1 ...e5 aka the From Gambit.

    Equally White can transposed back into the King's Gambit with 2. f4!
    with e4 white can transpose to the kings gambit, and that is exactly what zebano wasn't looking for