1. Standard memberRamned
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    21 Aug '07 12:18
    Is it usual for the 3 pawns to win vs a knight or is it a draw? What about 3 pawns vs bishop or rook? And is it theoretically favoring 9 pawns vs a queen?
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    21 Aug '07 12:441 edit
    Originally posted by Ramned
    Is it usual for the 3 pawns to win vs a knight or is it a draw? What about 3 pawns vs bishop or rook? And is it theoretically favoring 9 pawns vs a queen?
    It depends on the position but 3 joined pawns supported by a king would have good winning chances against a lone Knight. A Bishop may be able to draw against 3 connected pawns but depending on the position of the stronger sides King and Rook a lone Rook should, in my opinion, have good winning chances.

    A lone queen should win most positions against 8 pawns as it can usually pick off the pawns with check / gain of tempo 1 by 1.
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    21 Aug '07 12:51
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    It depends on the position but 3 joined pawns supported by a king would have good winning chances against a lone Knight, whereas a Bishop may be able to draw and a Rook should win.

    A lone queen should win most positions against 8 pawns as it can usually pick off the pawns with check / gain of tempo 1 by 1.
    A rook should win against three connected pawns? Cool, you learn something new everyday.

    Ps: I just ran a knight v. 3 pawns in various positions (all from natural starting places) and every time it drew.
  4. Standard memberDragon Fire
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    21 Aug '07 13:032 edits
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    A rook should win against three connected pawns? Cool, you learn something new everyday.

    Ps: I just ran a knight v. 3 pawns in various positions (all from natural starting places) and every time it drew.
    It always depends on the position although I actually I meant 3 connected pawns should win against a Knight and didn't necessarily mean connected against the Rook. A rook could have difficulty winning against 3 advanced and connected pawns but I believe should win if their king is in front of and can hold the pawns and the Rook is correctly placed (I must look this up tonight when I get home as I might just be talking a load of tripe). Against isolated pawns the Rook should win easily.

    Black to move. Can he draw?



    Put the white pieces bank a rank. Any difference?
    2 ranks back, what now?

    Would you prefer to reposition the black knight? Put it anywhere with black still to move and show us the draw.
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    21 Aug '07 13:151 edit
    White to move.
    Can he draw?



    Will it make a difference if you move the pieces 1 rank forward?
    2 ranks?
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    21 Aug '07 13:36
    the reason i asked is because i have a game Game 3453491 and wondered if i was playing aimlessly.

    I think I can win it with them being connected.
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    21 Aug '07 13:381 edit
    Originally posted by Ramned
    the reason i asked is because i have a game Game 3453491 and wondered if i was playing aimlessly.

    I think I can win it with them being connected.
    Don't you realise that you've effectively asked for (and received) advice about a game in progress? The honourable thing to do would be to resign the game, or at least offer a draw.
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    21 Aug '07 14:10
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Don't you realise that you've effectively asked for (and received) advice about a game in progress? The honourable thing to do would be to resign the game, or at least offer a draw.
    hmm...to be fair, I don't think this is really a breach of the TOS, seeing as they asked for general advice on N v 3p endgame, not about the exact position
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    21 Aug '07 14:18
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Don't you realise that you've effectively asked for (and received) advice about a game in progress? The honourable thing to do would be to resign the game, or at least offer a draw.
    Even if that was against the rules, the information in this thread didn't change my intentions in any way.
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    21 Aug '07 14:33
    Originally posted by Shinidoki
    hmm...to be fair, I don't think this is really a breach of the TOS, seeing as they asked for [b]general advice on N v 3p endgame, not about the exact position[/b]
    The main point is not whether the person is seeking general or specific advice, but rather just the fact that they are seeking any advice relating to a game in progress.

    Initially the poster was wondering if he was playing aimlessly. And now he thinks he can win. So this thread changed the chances of him offering a draw and that's unfair to his opponent.

    And if asking didn't help with his game... why ask at all?
  11. Standard memberRamned
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    21 Aug '07 15:16
    I understand I was wrong. It would have helped if it was impossible. Because then I would have offered a draw instead of continuing as I planned. The advice given here is what I thought. I learned nothing except the 3 pawn vs rook
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    21 Aug '07 15:491 edit
    Originally posted by Ramned
    Is it usual for the 3 pawns to win vs a knight or is it a draw?
    Advice removed.

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    21 Aug '07 21:45
    Originally posted by Ramned
    And is it theoretically favoring 9 pawns vs a queen?
    Queen should win as opponent has been cheating. 🙂
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