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  1. 21 Feb '10 06:49
    I generally detest opening study though I enjoy sharp openings (bad combination). Anyway, I played my first OTB tournament in two years two weeks ago and while playing down 500 points nervously watched my opponent whip 12 book moves out with great confidence while I sweated profusely before navigating to a middlegame where I trounced him. In order to better understand some of my chosen openings, I'm asking you fellow RHP members to please provide your favorite games (GM or personal) in the following two lines for my personal study.

    Gruenfeld 5. Bf4
    1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 d5 4 Nf3 Bg7 5 Bf4
    (especially games where black plays c5)


    BLack replies to 1. Nf3 with a delayed d4 that resemble a benko (in an cruel twist of fate I do well with the benko but fail miserably with the benoni) or are just otherwise fun. I typically end up playing a structure with a kingside fianchetto with d5 and c6 while white plays similarily but plays c4 rather than c3. They're very boring games.
  2. 21 Feb '10 07:07
    I know what you mean when you say you like you like sharp openings but don`t wanna study lines or variations too much.
    I can`t think of a solution really but I know what you mean I think.
  3. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    21 Feb '10 08:25
    Originally posted by zebano
    I generally detest opening study though I enjoy sharp openings (bad combination). Anyway, I played my first OTB tournament in two years two weeks ago and while playing down 500 points nervously watched my opponent whip 12 book moves out with great confidence while I sweated profusely before navigating to a middlegame where I trounced him. In order to better u ...[text shortened]... d5 and c6 while white plays similarily but plays c4 rather than c3. They're very boring games.
    Here's a recently finished Grunfeld for you. It was book (MCO 15) until white's 10th move. I have the sense that I faffed about with the Queen too much and ended up dropping a piece. I was able to recover it but the endgame was lost.

    Game 7170994
  4. 21 Feb '10 13:59
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    Here's a recently finished Grunfeld for you. It was book (MCO 15) until white's 10th move. I have the sense that I faffed about with the Queen too much and ended up dropping a piece. I was able to recover it but the endgame was lost.

    Game 7170994
    Thanks Ragwort. I like 10. Bb3 better for white because of how painful Kf1 can be having no h1 rook available. That said, the BE5 is a simple exchange that I should try more often since blacks bishop is often his primary piece. I think Qf3 and Qxb7was a little too ambitious for white but you failed to exploit. I believe blacks 23rd move is teh turning point. Instead of Rc7 I would try Rf-d8, the point being that whites king is still trapped and you will lift the d-rook instead.

    i.e.
    23.... Rfd8 24. Ke2 Rxc4 25. Qxc4 Qd2# or white can put up more resistance with
    23.... Rfd8 24. Ke2 Rxc4 25. Rhd8 Rc2+ 26. Rxc2 Qxd1+ winning a rook

    of course white should avoid Ke2 so perhaps
    23.... Rfd8 24. g3 Rd6 and black will at least win back his missing piece.

    No engines were used so I suggest double checking my analysis.
  5. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    21 Feb '10 21:20
    Originally posted by zebano
    of course white should avoid Ke2 so perhaps
    23.... Rfd8 24. g3 Rd6 and black will at least win back his missing piece.

    No engines were used so I suggest double checking my analysis.
    25.Qxc8 gg
  6. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    21 Feb '10 22:11
    I have the dembo grunfeld book. if you ever need a specific line pm me
  7. 21 Feb '10 22:15 / 1 edit
    Hi Zeb.

    David Tebb as Black. Always instructive at punishing slack opening moves.

    White's idea to chop a developed piece for an undeveloped piece was to perhaps
    stop Black from putting pressure on the d-pawn with Nc6.

    An error of judgement or just a very bad move?

    You will find loads of other examples of this Bf5 & c5 line on:

    http://www.timeforchess.com/gamesexplorer/



    Pity it ended there., but Knight moves, b3+, Qd2 and then Nxe3+ is terminal.
  8. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    21 Feb '10 22:39
    This is still going on - some good games and some really bad ones

    Tournament 2342
  9. 21 Feb '10 23:00
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    25.Qxc8 gg
    well that would be bad =(