Originally posted by cmsMasterLOL
Never heard of that one, will have to look into it (Alekhine-Chatard). Well...If you refuse to hear about the KG and don't play e4....I'd say use the QG, awesome d4 opening, I've even used it a few times (I don't think on RHP though), and as black against d4 use the Benko Gambit. Totally sound, totally awesome. White often declines, because if he accept ...[text shortened]... And if I'm not good enough for you...
www.chessgames.com
Or you could play the KG.
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Originally posted by cmsMaster1 e4 e6
Never heard of that one, will have to look into it (Alekhine-Chatard). Well...If you refuse to hear about the KG and don't play e4....I'd say use the QG, awesome d4 opening, I've even used it a few times (I don't think on RHP though), and as black against d4 use the Benko Gambit. Totally sound, totally awesome. White often declines, because if he accept And if I'm not good enough for you...
www.chessgames.com
Or you could play the KG.
2 d4 d5
3 Nc3 Nf6
4 Bg5 Be7
5 e5 Nfd6
6 h4 Bxg5
7 hxg5 Qxg5
8 Nh3 etc. etc. with Qg4 and a strong kingside attack to follow.
I do use the Budapest against d4 particulary in OTB, but that rarely turns out to be a real gambit.
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Originally posted by chesskid001The Queens Gambit is best declined and so does not become a gambit as no pawn is given up.
I play the Queen's gambit, but only because it is not really a gambit. There is no decent way for Black to defend the pawn
Try the Morra Gambit in response to c5
1. e4 .. c5;
2. d4 .. cXd
3. c3 .. dxc
4. Nxc3
or the Kings Gambit in response to e5
1. e4 .. e5
2. f4 .. exf
Look at some of my games (I play a lot of both). The principles are the same in both in that white gives up a pawn for a lead in development and open lines. In the case of the KG the f file and attacks on f7 by Bc4 and Nf3 - e5 (g5) and in the case of the MG open c and d files and again an attack on f7 by Bc4 and some dangerous pins on the d and e files along with the threat of getting a N to c7.
As I never play d4 I don't know the Q G and as black avoid it by playing the Benoni or Kings Indian or sometimes the Nimzo-Indian. There are Gambit lines against both the French (e6) and Caro Kann (c6) but I have not found one I really like as white (yet!).
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Originally posted by no1marauderOk checked it out, not my style really, rather interesting though.
To thy own self be true; if you're risk aversive, don't play gambits.
I don't like opening gambits myself on either side; they're usually extremely "booked" and require a lot of memorization. The Smith-Morra is an annoying one to face that I usually decline and turn into a c3 Sicilian (I'm a Sicilian player). I do like the Alekhine-Chatard Attack against the French though.
Chesskid, here's a more general idea on Gambits from my own point of view.
They're risky, usually too risky. First, and this is of the utmost importance, you HAVE to know what you're doing in almost every gambit line. I can think of only a few where this is untrue...Benko (I use it, and have done almost 0 reading on it, the pieces really slide into place) and maybe some others. I WAS going to say the King's Bishop Gambit, but that actually does require *some* theory, and more if you want to play it right. Really, you say your play is risk free, and you like it that way, but you think you're missing out on something. Yeah, I had this feeling once, and now my main opening is the KG. Basically I just found that playing wild games were more fun that positional games. In fact I'd say my transition from positional to wild is extreme. Back in April I played 1.c4 (see CMSMaster vs. Sun Tzu General or CMSMaster vs. WhiskeyJack), and one day decided to try out the KG for some fun. Two unrated FICS games, 2-0 score with a total of under 25 moves, and I found somebody on there they talked about it with me for a couple of hours. Since then I have (of course) been playing lots of gambits. Among them I've tried the KG, the BG, The Smith-Morra (Rarely, and I've since decided upon the Grand Prix Attack), the Reti Gambit (1.e4 e6 2.b3!? d5 3.Bb2!?), and others others very seldom. Honestly it's a risk, I like them, because to me, it's more fun. Not only that, but for a while I had no positional sense. Playing things like the English didn't always offer best results, especially OTB. There's one EXTREMELY important thing to remember though. Nobody is equal. (GG Founding Fathers) If you want to then you should play some gambits. But don't feel like your missing out if you don't. People that play gambits miss out on the slower more positional games. You can't have it all, it's one way or the other. I like gambits, despite how risky they can be. But, there was a time when I thought slowly choking the opponent in your positional grasp could be awesome. Honestly, asking people to tell you if you should or should not play gambits leaves them in a tough spot. Who are we to tell you if you should play gambits or not? You have to make that decision for yourself. If I created a thread asking "Should I play the King's Gambit?" And if it weren't for a handful of people (Me, Dragon Fire, Aging Blitzer, Northern Lad, Cludi, Bedlam, Tebb (used it OTB), Zebano...) I'm sure I'd get an overwhelming amount who say "No way, it's too risky." But I decided it was best for me to play it myself and see if it worked for me. Yeah, it does, and yes I use it.
That better answer your question.
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Originally posted by kmac27Try Game 2381738; or
dragon fire i've always wonderd about the smith morra and it looks fun to play. do you have any games of it?
Game 2266665 (won by time out but a win anyway); or
Game 2211535
Typical examples of the dangers but beware the MG is harder for white to play than the KG.
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Originally posted by Dragon FireSecond one is a Ruy Lopez.
Try Game 2381738; or
Game 2266665 (won by time out but a win anyway)
EDIT:strange...now it isn't. Nevermind.
Originally posted by ChessJesterWhat does Black get for the Latvian Gambit? Seems to me black is two moves behind and cannot get his Queen's Rook and or his Queen's Knight or Bishop into the game. White can get all of his men into the game. White has two Rooks to work with to Black's one. The Latvian Gambit is refuted but still some players really like the opening. I have a record of 2-0-0 vs the Latvian Gambit. It seems to me that one bad or inaccurate move form White may give Black strong chances to win.
A true gambit does not offer immediate material compensation, but rather offers compensation in space or time.
Some gambits on the otherhand are tactical in nature and are therefore described as dubious. If the one accepts these psudo-gambits, then ones pieces will be pulled off of their squares, the point being that they leave other pieces undefended ...[text shortened]... Whether your opponent decides to take the knight or defend his own he is still left a pawn down.
Originally posted by cmsMasterI may be wrong but the game is not a true Benko Gambit. I think it is the Benko Gambit half accepted?
Never heard of that one, will have to look into it (Alekhine-Chatard). Well...If you refuse to hear about the KG and don't play e4....I'd say use the QG, awesome d4 opening, I've even used it a few times (I don't think on RHP though), and as black against d4 use the Benko Gambit. Totally sound, totally awesome. White often declines, because if he accept ...[text shortened]... And if I'm not good enough for you...
www.chessgames.com
Or you could play the KG.
Originally posted by gambit3Erm, yeah I think that's the proper term. Full accept is b5 cx5 a6 bxa6 g6 (Or Bxa6 immediately). Like I said, it's very rare to see that in modern games because it's hard for white to handle the pressure down the a and b files. But yes, this IS a Benko Gambit game.
I may be wrong but the game is not a true Benko Gambit. I think it is the Benko Gambit half accepted?
Originally posted by cmsMasterLMAO, sub-1300 hilarity.
Erm, yeah I think that's the proper term. Full accept is b5 cx5 a6 bxa6 g6 (Or Bxa6 immediately). Like I said, it's very rare to see that in modern games because it's hard for white to handle the pressure down the a and b files. But yes, this IS a Benko Gambit game.
I did in fact have a QG game on here....
http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/playchess.php?gameid=1887431#
Game 1887431
Originally posted by cmsMastergood advice
Ok checked it out, not my style really, rather interesting though.
Chesskid, here's a more general idea on Gambits from my own point of view.
They're risky, usually too risky. First, and this is of the utmost importance, you HAVE to know what you're doing in almost every gambit line. I can think of only a few where this is untrue...Benko (I use it, ...[text shortened]... Yeah, it does, and yes I use it.
That better answer your question.