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  1. 16 Jan '07 00:10 / 1 edit
    1.e4 e6 2.c3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Qa4+ Nc6 5.Qxe4 Nf6 6.Qc2

    it might continue, 6...Bd6 7.d4 0-0 8.Bd3 h6 (to stop the pin) 9.0-0

    Does anyone see any holes in this line by white? it is something I thought of on my own, does anyone know if there is a name for this?
  2. 16 Jan '07 00:23
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    1.e4 e6 2.c3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Qa4+ Nc6 5.Qxe4 Nf6 6.Qc2

    it might continue, 6...Bd6 7.d4 0-0 8.Bd3 h6 (to stop the pin) 9.0-0

    Does anyone see any holes in this line by white? it is something I thought of on my own, does anyone know if there is a name for this?
    you're blocking c3 for your knight with no good reason and failing to develop as your queen is being chased around all silly...
  3. 16 Jan '07 00:29
    Seems a little passive. You are giving black a free lead in development. I like 6)..e5 then 7)..e4 a little better. One of blacks problems in the French is finding something useful do do with the light squared bishop, One of the reasons I like the St George ( e6, a6, b5, Bb7). In your line you are giving black a lot of space. Of course that could throw a French player off of his game!

    Playable, always worth a try.
  4. 16 Jan '07 00:41
    Originally posted by giantrobot
    Seems a little passive. You are giving black a free lead in development. I like 6)..e5 then 7)..e4 a little better. One of blacks problems in the French is finding something useful do do with the light squared bishop, One of the reasons I like the St George ( e6, a6, b5, Bb7). In your line you are giving black a lot of space. Of course that could throw a French player off of his game!

    Playable, always worth a try.
    it wouldn't throw a french player off his game as much as give him a good one (imo)
  5. 16 Jan '07 01:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by YUG0slav
    it wouldn't throw a french player off his game as much as give him a good one (imo)
    I've got to agree - Making 3 Queen moves in the opening is rarely good.

    If you want to throw a French player off I think you have a few better options, here are a couple of things I'd suggest looking at...

    Reti Gambit - A recommendation from Bedlam - 1.e4 e6 2.b3!? d5 (Most common) 3.Bb2!? dxe5. It's a good style opening for players that like bishop play and open games. There's good compensation for the pawn if black doesn't simply decide to give it back.

    1.e4 e6 2.Qe2!? - is a line that Northern Lad has used/recommended. I forgot the name of it at this point (It's named after some classical chess player) but I do remember Northern Lad mentioning that he's been playing it with the original style of an early b3/Bb2. One example of him using it is Northern Lad - Weyerstrass.

    Or finally, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 (Exchange) exd5 4.c4!? French players generally hate playing the exchange (It's like seeing the closed sicilian) and this line seems very interesting, maybe worth a shot. I suspect that things will be quite open. Obviously if you want closed positions I'd recommend the Advanced (3.e5).
  6. 16 Jan '07 02:33
    Originally posted by cmsMaster
    I've got to agree - Making 3 Queen moves in the opening is rarely good.

    If you want to throw a French player off I think you have a few better options, here are a couple of things I'd suggest looking at...

    Reti Gambit - A recommendation from Bedlam - 1.e4 e6 2.b3!? d5 (Most common) 3.Bb2!? dxe5. It's a good style opening for players that like bishop ...[text shortened]... quite open. Obviously if you want closed positions I'd recommend the Advanced (3.e5).
    you forgot the KIA, 2. d3
  7. 16 Jan '07 02:41
    Originally posted by YUG0slav
    you forgot the KIA, 2. d3
    Oh yeah, the KIA's good too.
  8. 16 Jan '07 02:47
    Originally posted by ChessJester

    Against the french
    old saying...how many frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
    0, since they all would just ran away...

    anyways...against french, throw your caps at them and you will triumph
  9. Donation !~TONY~!
    1...c5!
    16 Jan '07 03:42
    I was about to mention the fact that Black can fix all his problems and mess with White's idea with 6..e5! but someone beat me to it.
  10. 17 Jan '07 19:24
    I think the biggest threat to this line is a kingside attack but if black fianchettoes his king bishop then the pawn at g6 will stop the battery white can make on that light diagonal.

    I guess it isn't the best line, but it is still kind of fun to play since the position isn't very typical.

    Thanks for the replies.
  11. 17 Jan '07 19:38
    Originally posted by cmsMaster

    1.e4 e6 2.Qe2!? - is a line that Northern Lad has used/recommended. I forgot the name of it at this point (It's named after some classical chess player) but I do remember Northern Lad mentioning that he's been playing it with the original style of an early b3/Bb2. One example of him using it is Northern Lad - Weyerstrass.
    This is the Chigorin and in my experience usually transposes into either a KIA vrs the French or a gran prix vrs. a sicillian though there is a lot of room for improvisation.
  12. 17 Jan '07 21:57 / 1 edit
    As white I always instinctively play the advanced:
    1.e4...e6
    2.d4...d5
    3.e5...c5
    4.c3...Nc6
    5.Nf3
    Dunno why, just seems a very natural way to put long term pressure on black in the FD.
  13. 18 Jan '07 00:10
    i instinctively play....

    1. e4 e6
    2. d3 d5
    3. Nd2

    and if you lose you can always complain that you misclicked on move 2
  14. 22 Jan '07 19:16
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    As white I always instinctively play the advanced:
    1.e4...e6
    2.d4...d5
    3.e5...c5
    4.c3...Nc6
    5.Nf3
    Dunno why, just seems a very natural way to put long term pressure on black in the FD.
    I usually play that as well
  15. Standard member rotk
    Orc slayer
    22 Jan '07 21:04 / 1 edit
    here is a game I played agianst the a russian dude, who played the french!


    [Event "43 Northeastern Open"]
    [Site "Holiday Inn, Neenah, WI> "]
    [Date "2007.01.20"]
    [Round "3"]
    [White "Timothy Hintz"]
    [Black "Pete Velikanov"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [WhiteElo "1545"]
    [BlackElo "1903"]
    [EventDate "2007.01.20"]

    1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Be3 dxe4 4.f3 Nf6 5.Nc3 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bb4 7.Bd3 Nd5 8.Bd2
    Nc6 9.O-O Nxc3 10.bxc3 Be7 11.Qe1 Bf6 12.Rb1 b6 13.Qg3 Ne7 14.Ng5 Ng6 15.
    Rbe1 Bb7 16.Bxg6 hxg6 17.Nxe6 fxe6 18.Qxg6+ Kd7 19.Rxe6 Re8 20.Rexf6 gxf6
    21.Qf5+ Kc6 22.Qf3+ Qd5 23.Qxd5+ Kxd5 24.Rxf6 Re2 25.Rf2 Rxf2 26.Kxf2 Ke4
    27.g3 Rh8 28.h4 Bd5 29.a3 Kf5 30.Bf4 c6 31.Ke3 b5 32.Be5 Re8 33.Kd3 Kg4
    34.Kd2 Rf8 35.Bf4 Rxf4 36.gxf4 Kxf4 37.h5 Kg5 38.Ke3 Kxh5 39.Kf4 a5 40.Ke5
    Kg4 41.Kd6 Kf4 42.Kc5 Ke3 43.Kb6 a4 44.Kc5 Kd2 45.c4 bxc4 46.Kb4 Kxc2 47.
    Kxa4 Kd3 48.Kb4 0-1

    It gave me all the attacking chances and traps to set, and kept him from his lines, that alone is worth the price of a pawn.
    afterwards, he went over it with me and said that on the 16th move I should've played Nxh7, which give me material, and the sac becomes more dangerous.