Originally posted by Raven69OK that was silly but here I've set my Hiarcs engine to play itself - only with the moves 1.f3 and 2.Kf2 proscribed:
Of course not! That's just silly...after 2...Qh4+ you go 3.g3, obviously.
I don't think Qh4+ is the best for black in this opening, after g3 they are just forced to move the queen again and they lose a tempo.
1.f3...e5, 2.Kf3...d5, 3.e3...Bd6, 4.d4...e4, 5. g3...Nf6, 6.Nc3...exf3, 7. Nxf3...0-0 and it shows black as being about 1.50 points ahead. Another test I might try later is to see how well I can play against the engine as black with white forced to make those first two move.
Originally posted by Mahoutin the computer points system, what number represents a winning advantage?
OK that was silly but here I've set my Hiarcs engine to play itself - only with the moves 1.f3 and 2.Kf2 proscribed:
1.f3...e5, 2.Kf3...d5, 3.e3...Bd6, 4.d4...e4, 5. g3...Nf6, 6.Nc3...exf3, 7. Nxf3...0-0 and it shows black as being about 1.50 points ahead. Another test I might try later is to see how well I can play against the engine as black with white forced to make those first two move.
Originally posted by MahoutWhite could play Ne2 instead of g3.
OK that was silly but here I've set my Hiarcs engine to play itself - only with the moves 1.f3 and 2.Kf2 proscribed:
1.f3...e5, 2.Kf3...d5, 3.e3...Bd6, 4.d4...e4, 5. g3...Nf6, 6.Nc3...exf3, 7. Nxf3...0-0 and it shows black as being about 1.50 points ahead. Another test I might try later is to see how well I can play against the engine as black with white forced to make those first two move.
Originally posted by Mahout2.Kf3??? The king can make like a knight and take his own pawn? 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄
OK that was silly but here I've set my Hiarcs engine to play itself - only with the moves 1.f3 and 2.Kf2 proscribed:
1.f3...e5, 2.Kf3...d5, 3.e3...Bd6, 4.d4...e4, 5. g3...Nf6, 6.Nc3...exf3, 7. Nxf3...0-0 and it shows black as being about 1.50 points ahead. Another test I might try later is to see how well I can play against the engine as black with white forced to make those first two move.
Originally posted by Dutch Defensethat's nothing...in one tournament
2.Kf3??? The king can make like a knight and take his own pawn? 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄
i played 2. Ke4 as a joke, the other guy wasn't paying ANY attention and didn't catch it until move four
the T.D. busted over laughing
Originally posted by rubberjaw30It stops giving numbers and tells you it can see a forced check mate - I wouldn't call the 1.50 shown here a winning advantage. A "winning advantage" in points would depend on the relative strengths of the players
in the computer points system, what number represents a winning advantage?
Originally posted by Mahoutok,
It stops giving numbers and tells you it can see a forced check mate - I wouldn't call the 1.50 shown here a winning advantage. A "winning advantage" in points would depend on the relative strengths of the players
for example,
at what point is the advantage so great that the computer is garunteeing that it could win the position, even though there is no forced mate in sight?
Originally posted by Raven69you've lost your talking privelages
Where did I say I used 1...h5 to get to 2050??
And I'm not full of crap....I'm full of sugar and spice and everything nice 🙂....and maybe some whiskey...
and @ the actual topic which hasn't been noted for about 70 posts, the KID is an attacking opening for black, if you're willing to accept the closed center
Originally posted by rubberjaw30The problem here is that when I'm playing the computer it can guarantee winning against me from the start position - so it doesn't require a point advantage. Perhaps it might be possible to run some tests by having the computer play itself with one side having a point advantage. OK - now I realise that's what you meant with your question. Later on I'll play out the game with 1.f3 and see which side wins.
ok,
for example,
at what point is the advantage so great that the computer is garunteeing that it could win the position, even though there is no forced mate in sight?
I ran the game and black won in 54 moves. In this case the engine showed black as having an advantage of +1.61 at move 2. Also there were several moves with scores close to this for blacks 2nd move 2...Bc5 (+1.57),2. ...Nf6, (+1.48), 2...Nc6 (+1.37), 2....d6 (+1.13), 2...Bb4 (+1.18) for example. In fact the only possible move for black that has a score of less than +0.50 was Ba3 (-3.77) where white can capture the black Bishop with the knight on the next move.
So black has a choice of several moves with an advantage of more than 1 point (equivalent to a pawn) at move 2 and only one move with a disadvantage.
Originally I quoted a book saying that if you felt the need to prepare for the likes of 1.f3, 1.a4 etc.. you should be studying a more elementary book (meaning the knowledge of basic opening theory should be enough to meet these openings). This mini experiment appears to support that statement.
The game in full: Hiarcs 10 v's Hiarcs 10 with the moves 1.f3 and 2.Kf2 for white:
1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 d5 3. e3 Bd6 4. d4 e4 5. g3 Nf6 6. Nc3 exf3 7. Nxf3 O-O 8. Bd2
Nc6 9. Kg2 Bg4 10. h3 Bf5 11. Bd3 Qd7 12. Nxd5 Nxd5 13. e4 Ncb4 14. exd5 Nxd3
15. cxd3 Rae8 16. Qf1 Qb5 17. a4 Qb3 18. Ne5 Qxd5+ 19. Nf3 Qb3 20. Qf2 Bxd3 21.
Rhe1 Qxb2 22. Rxe8 Qxa1 23. Rxf8+ Bxf8 24. a5 Bd6 25. Qe1 Qxe1 26. Nxe1 Bc4 27.
Nf3 f6 28. Bf4 Bxf4 29. gxf4 Bd5 30. Kg3 Bxf3 31. Kxf3 Kf7 32. Ke4 Ke6 33. f5+
Kd6 34. Ke3 g6 35. fxg6 hxg6 36. Ke4 b6 37. axb6 cxb6 38. Ke3 a5 39. Kd3 Kd5
40. Kc3 b5 41. Kd3 b4 42. Ke3 a4 43. Kd3 a3 44. Kc2 Kc4 45. d5 b3+ 46. Kd2 b2
47. Kc2 Kxd5 48. Kb1 g5 49. Ka2 Kc4 50. h4 gxh4 51. Kb1 h3 52. Ka2 h2 53. Kxa3
b1=Q 54. Ka4 Qb4# 0-1
1.d4 anyone!