Another Puzzle

White to move. Give the best line and the probable result of the game: White win, Black win, Drawish.

I would say a number one goal for white would be to trade of bishops. If he can do this he is doing better? Reason the black king is in the open. White also has to be careful of a pawn storm on the Queen side. Mabey? Thanks Kevin

Originally posted by Kevin Mcfarland
I would say a number one goal for white would be to trade of bishops. If he can do this he is doing better? Reason the black king is in the open. White also has to be careful of a pawn storm on the king side. Mabey? Thanks Kevin

Fair enough. So what move should white play here? Give me a line and what the result should be after that line.

Originally posted by RahimK
White to move. Give the best line and the probable result of the game: White win, Black win, Drawish.

1. g4+ Kxg4 2. Be6 h5? 3. Bxf5+ Kxf5 4. Kh2

^ this Leaves Black with 6 pawns and a bishop duo,
White has 4 pawns with 2 Rooks

Originally posted by RahimK
White to move. Give the best line and the probable result of the game: White win, Black win, Drawish.

[fen]8/1bp4p/p2p4/1p3rbk/4p3/1BP5/PP3PP1/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1[/fen]

1 be6 re5 2 pg4check with a spot for the bishop to put pressure on center pawn and try to carry out my plan?

Originally posted by Shinidoki
1. g4+ Kxg4 2. Be6 h5? 3. Bxf5+ Kxf5 4. Kh2

^ this Leaves Black with 6 pawns and a bishop duo,
White has 4 pawns with 2 Rooks

That's the line I found also.

What is the result of the game from this position?

Originally posted by Kevin Mcfarland
1 be6 re5 2 pg4check with a spot for the bishop to put pressure on center pawn and try to carry out my plan?

Tactics, Tactics.

See the post above yours.

Yes but the 2 bishops and extra pawns are they stronger than the rooks? Rember what I said about a queen side pawn storm? I think If white could trade bishops he would be better off. You know more than I but what do you think?

Originally posted by Kevin Mcfarland
Yes but the 2 bishops and extra pawns are they stronger than the rooks? Rember what I said about a queen side pawn storm? I think If white could trade bishops he would be better off. You know more than I but what do you think?

I'm not sure if the 2 bishop and extra pawn is better then 2 rooks. The main problem for white is the passed h-pawn.

I'm not sure who is better after that variation with g4+. Maybe it's not the best move for white. I think it is though.

That's why I posted this puzzle. To see if white can win after the g4+ variation.

Originally posted by RahimK
That's the line I found also.

What is the result of the game from this position?

1. g4+ Kxg4 2. Be6 h5? 3. Bxf5+ Kxf5 4. Kh2

I'm really not sure how black would proceed after Kh2, But I'd say things are a even [ish].....


The other conclusion I can make is that this line is correct, but the threat of it is more important than playing it....

for example :-

1.a4 bxa4 {doubling pawns on the a-file -- which could easily be picked of by a rook} 2. g4+ Kxg4 3. Be6 h5? 4. Bxf5+ Kxf5 5. Kh2


or

1. a4 Kh6 {advoiding g4+} axb5 axb5 [Rxb5 Bc2 Rxb2 Bxe4]

Well this puzzle was from Reinfields 1001 combination and said White to move and win so I figured the solution must be 1.g4+ But white is not winning after that. 2 strong bishops + 2 pawns vs 2 rooks.

Heres some quick fritz analysis. 1.g4+ and black is slightly winning after the line, -0.60 about. After 1.Bc2 and the line white is winning by a bit +0.80.

[Event "White to move & win"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "1001WCS&C"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/1bp4p/p2p4/1p3rbk/4p3/1BP5/PP3PP1/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "17"]

1. g4+ (1. Bc2 Re5 2. b4 h6 3. Kf1 e3 4. f3 Bh4 5. Re2) 1... Kxg4 2. Be6 h5 3.
a3 h4 4. Bxf5+ Kxf5 5. Kh2 Bf6 6. Re3 Kf4 7. b4 Bg5 8. Kg2 Ke5 9. Re2 *

What about a line starting with Be6 Re5 THEN g4+ K moves, B-f5. I like that because, 1) you save the pawn, 2) bishop-pawn selfprotects,
3) the bishop attacks the pawn at h7 so it seems he would have to push the pawn giving black some breathing room. Don't have a board handy thats all the further I took it but that bishop looks a lot better on f5 than b3.

Originally posted by sonhouse
What about a line starting with Be6 Re5 THEN g4+ K moves, B-f5. I like that because, 1) you save the pawn, 2) bishop-pawn selfprotects,
3) the bishop attacks the pawn at h7 so it seems he would have to push the pawn giving black some breathing room. Don't have a board handy thats all the further I took it but that bishop looks a lot better on f5 than b3.

Well I put the position into Deep Fritz 8 and it gave me the line Bc2....

I tried some other moves but Bc2 seem like the best move for white. The idea is to attack the e4 pawn again. 1.Bc2 d5 is bad because the rook is on the bishop diagonal and white can play f3 and open the position up and then play Rd6 and black pawn drops and suddenly white's rook is very active.

Black central pawns are annoying and white has to destroy them to activate his rooks.

Still it's a diffucult position to play.

I wonder what solution the book gives. It's from Reinfields 1001 combination book. Problem 25 I think. It's says White to move and win. I think the solution the book gives would be g4+ since it's a combination/tactic but white is not winning after that.

I don't have the book with me right now, but if memory serves then g4+ followed by Be6 is indeed the solution given.

Originally posted by BLReid
I don't have the book with me right now, but if memory serves then g4+ followed by Be6 is indeed the solution given.

Ya that's what I thought. This puzzles I'm sure I have done before from another book or online and that was the solution given but white is not winning.

So far from 31 puzzles, I have found 3 incorrect puzzles. 2 of them pick up material but White is not winning. The 3rd one I have no idea. I can't find the solution and neither can fritz.

That's not to bad though, 3/31.