Originally posted by KorchTrue I suppose as otherwise it would not be covered at all in any of the books I have and I do have a couple on the Exchange totalling over 300 pages of top level games.
Ruy Exchange is sometimes used by top GMs. I dont think they would use it if it would be harmless. So in my opinion its matter of taste.
So perhaps I should have more correctly stated that Ba4 is more popular than BXN as many GMs consider that taking the N concedes equality too early.
However the important point I wanted to make in response to an earlier post was that BXN is not in fact the most common move and there is absolutely no requirement to give up the B for the N. However those who do want to do so consider than the long term weakness of blacks pawn structure (black should recapture with the d pawn by the way) is worth the exchange.
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI must admit I always thought that 3...a6 4.Bxc6 played into Black's hand to a certain extent.
I must admit I always thought that 3...a6 4.Bxc6 played into Black's hand to a certain extent.
Anyway, 3...f5 is the correct response.
Fischer would laugh about you 😛
Anyway, 3...f5 is the correct response.
3...f5 is one of the possible responses. Claiming "only correct" moves is archaism.
some ppl jump at mistakes as if it was the end of the world.
he made a mistake in typing, so what?
he said a move sucks, so what?
but going to the insulting is what does suck.
if i say the Sicilian c5 sucks so what? doesnt mean a thing except that i dont like it as much as say e5. of course both e5 and c5 are sound the debate of e5 vs c5 can go on.
As for your question:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=21723&move=3&moves=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6&nodes=21720.21721.21722.21723
Bb5 is played more often at higher lvls as compared to Bc4. Both moves are sound (White has the upperhand at that point).
According to that link Bb5 white>draw>back
and Bc4 white>black>draw
Keep in mind these games are a collection from primarly OTB games (I may be wrong on that)
Now if we do a comparison to CC lets use rhps opening database
>1400: Bb5 white>black>draw
Bc4 white>black>draw
>1900: Bb5 draw>white=black
Bc4 white>=draw>black
Originally posted by KnightloreThe great Emmanual Lasker also liked the White side of the Exchange Variation. Capablanca wrote in his Chess Fundamentals that he himself preferred the Black side. Lasker (as White) won a famous game over Capa in the Exchange Ruy that Capablanca annotates in Chess Fundamentals.
Fischer liked the exchange variation but it seems to be less popular these days.
Did you know that the move 3.Bb5 was named after the monk Ruy Lopez
because of his bad analysis?
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3
He said that 2...d6 (the Philidor) was the best reply.
Stating 2...Nc6 is bad because of 3.Bb5 and white threatens Bxc6
winning the e-pawn.
3...a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.Nxe4 (end of Lopez analysis).
5...Qd4 or 5...Qg4 wins the pawn back.
I played 3.Bc4 up until my grade made 2000 then you have
to play good players. 3.Bc4 gives you nothing against 2000+ players.
Had to switch to 3.Bb5 or the Scotch (3.d4) to keep a white pull.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Didn't Ruy Lopez live about the same time as the rule change for the queen? Could be that he was playing a different version of the game when he made his analysis and for him the queen could only move one square diagonally or do the little jumpy thing it used to be able to do. If this were the case, then neither 5...Qd4 or 5...Qg4 would be possible.
Did you know that the move 3.Bb5 was named after the monk Ruy Lopez
because of his bad analysis?
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3
He said that 2...d6 (the Philidor) was the best reply.
Stating 2...Nc6 is bad because of 3.Bb5 and white threatens Bxc6
winning the e-pawn.
3...a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.Nxe4 (end of Lopez analysis).
5...Qd4 or 5...Qg4 wins the pawn b ...[text shortened]... hing against 2000+ players.
Had to switch to 3.Bb5 or the Scotch (3.d4) to keep a white pull.
Just a thought. I'm too tired right now to look up the specific dates on all that right now, but I'm pretty sure it was all about that same time.
Originally posted by SSJ4GogetaSSJ4You think "c5 sucks" does not mean it is rubbish? I see. The debate rolls on, with text-speak this time. 😕 😉
some ppl jump at mistakes as if it was the end of the world.
he made a mistake in typing, so what?
he said a move sucks, so what?
but going to the insulting is what does suck.
if i say the Sicilian c5 sucks so what? doesnt mean a thing except that i dont like it as much as say e5. of course both e5 and c5 are sound the debate of e5 vs c5 can g ...[text shortened]... Bc4 white>black>draw
>1900: Bb5 draw>white=black
Bc4 white>=draw>black