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07 Dec 06
07 Dec 06
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I hope the following threads will be useful to those that struggle with basic endings and regularly raise queries on this forum.
K & 2R vs K Thread 57653
K & Q vs K Thread 57654
K & R vs K Thread 57657
K & 2B vs K Thread 57676
K B & N vs K Thread 57677
A forced mate with K &2N vs K is not possible. The game is drawn.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by Dragon FireIronically, K & 2N vs. K has no forced win, but if Black has a pawn, the mate is often possible because of the fact that the defender can't be stalemated.
I hope the following threads will be useful to those that struggle with basic endings and regularly raise queries on this forum.
K & 2R vs K Thread 57653
K & Q vs K Thread 57654
K & R vs K Thread 57657
K & 2B vs K Thread 57676
K B & N vs K Thread 57677
A forced mate with K &2N vs K is not possible. The game is drawn.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by Mephisto2Sorry, Mephisto2! I beat you to it by two minutes! 🙂
"A forced mate with K &2N vs K is not possible. The game is drawn.
"
But K + 2N vs. K+p is. I have never had a K + N + B vs. K in a real OTB game, but I had K + 2N vs K+p at least three times.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by Mephisto2I have had K & 2Ns vs K & P here but I am not good enough to win it or even explain how to.
"A forced mate with K &2N vs K is not possible. The game is drawn.
"
But K + 2N vs. K+p is. I have never had a K + N + B vs. K in a real OTB game, but I had K + 2N vs K+p at least three times.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by Dragon FireJust for technicality, can't K+N+N vs. K result in checkmate? I know it would have to be a helpmate, but I figured it could be done, just that it was unlikely to get help from the opponent (obvious with helpmates)...
I hope the following threads will be useful to those that struggle with basic endings and regularly raise queries on this forum.
K & 2R vs K Thread 57653
K & Q vs K Thread 57654
K & R vs K Thread 57657
K & 2B vs K Thread 57676
K B & N vs K Thread 57677
A forced mate with K &2N vs K is not possible. The game is drawn.
08 Dec 06
Originally posted by wittywonkaYes, there is a "helpmate" in the K&2N vs. K endgame.
Just for technicality, can't K+N+N vs. K result in checkmate? I know it would have to be a helpmate, but I figured it could be done, just that it was unlikely to get help from the opponent (obvious with helpmates)...
08 Dec 06
Originally posted by wittywonkaI got checkmated by king and two knights once. He also had a rook pawn, and to take that I had to get my king stuck in the corner where I duly got checkmated by the two knights. It was probably the last time I got checkmated as I thought the ending was amusing enough to play it to the finish.
Just for technicality, can't K+N+N vs. K result in checkmate? I know it would have to be a helpmate, but I figured it could be done, just that it was unlikely to get help from the opponent (obvious with helpmates)...
08 Dec 06
Originally posted by Dragon FireI will certainly find the last two very useful.
I hope the following threads will be useful to those that struggle with basic endings and regularly raise queries on this forum.
K & 2R vs K Thread 57653
K & Q vs K Thread 57654
K & R vs K Thread 57657
K & 2B vs K Thread 57676
K B & N vs K Thread 57677
A forced mate with K &2N vs K is not possible. The game is drawn.
Cheers. 🙂
08 Dec 06
Originally posted by gaychessplayerNot only have I never had this ending myself, but I've only ever seen it in real life once. It's worth learning once you get to a high level, but until then rook and pawn endings will earn you more points per hour spent studying!
I've been playing chess for almost forty years, and I can't remember EVER having to mate with just a bishop, knight and king. (Of course, that might be because I've never been up a bishop and a knight! 🙂)
08 Dec 06
Originally posted by Fat LadyA thorough understanding of the K+B+N vs. K checkmate might net you an extra half-point over a twenty-five year tournament career.
Not only have I never had this ending myself, but I've only ever seen it in real life once. It's worth learning once you get to a high level, but until then rook and pawn endings will earn you more points per hour spent studying!
Then again, you might lose several points by failing to win or draw rook endings that you could have been studying instead of the K+B+N vs. K checkmate.