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Originally posted by Dragon FireI know, but it's rare, and club players have (had?) trouble dealing with it which was good enough for me.
The Exchange Variation is supposed to concede immediate equality to black so, for that reason, is not seen that much any more in GM play.
Edit: I find it hard not to draw parallels to the french exchange, but I'll just pretend that since I gave up the Roy exchange, I'm not a hypocrite.
Originally posted by Dragon FireMaybe in theory, but I generally found myself in positions I didn't like much when I was a 1. ... e5 player and my opponent played the exchange Ruy against me. For that reason I adopted the Cozio Defence - 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nge7, which is fairly easy to play and avoids early disasters.
The Exchange Variation is supposed to concede immediate equality to black so, for that reason, is not seen that much any more in GM play.
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Originally posted by zebanoThe French Exchange is also supposed to concede immediate equality to black, which is why I now tend to play the French Advance which seems far more aggressive and unbalanced (like me really).
I know, but it's rare, and club players have (had?) trouble dealing with it which was good enough for me.
Edit: I find it hard not to draw parallels to the french exchange, but I'll just pretend that since I gave up the Roy exchange, I'm not a hypocrite.
Originally posted by Dragon FireMy point was that I criticize white players who argue that the french exchange is good despite giving equality because it's not what black wants to play, however I used to play the Roy exchange which does the same thing.
The French Exchange is also supposed to concede immediate equality to black, which is why I now tend to play the French Advance which seems far more aggressive and unbalanced (like me really).
Originally posted by Dragon FireI agree 100%, this is why I usually play Bb5... but sometimes I'll play d4, to open it up for tactics.
and more complicated means:
i. harder to play; and
ii. better winning chances for white.
Bc4 being simplier gives black better drawing chances and, therefore, tends to be avoided at the higher levels, unless of course as white you are happy with a draw when as it will involve less complications a draw should be simple.
Originally posted by Dragon FireGenerally speaking, GMs would consider the Lopez to be more strategically complex and therefore posing more longterm problems for black, since it seems harder to equalise against than the Italian. However, things (even in this silicon age) are not set in stone for ever, so it's possible this evaluation could change over time. It's interesting that at the very highest levels (i.e. super GMs with the latest and most powerful silicon assistance) the Marshall Attack (against the Lopez) is still going very strong for black, causing some headaches for white, as most of the anti-Marshall lines are now considered quite anodyne. It's also interesting that Nigel Short now considers the Two Knights Defence to be virtually refuted by crude old 4.Ng5 (see his game against Hebden at last year's Liverpool EU Champs). Furthermore most strong players when they play the Italian look to play in slower considered 'Lopez' style, i.e. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3, rather than the older 5.d4, which is not considered to give much for white.
There must be a reason why most GMs prefer Bb5 to Bc4.
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Originally posted by Northern Lad
Furthermore most strong players when they play the Italian look to play in slower considered 'Lopez' style, i.e. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3, rather than the older 5.d4, which is not considered to give much for white.
Definately agree with this analysis. I think you find that most Lopez players feel quite comfortable playing the Italian as well and 4.c3 tends to be the preferred line. It's surprising how few people (at lower club level anyway) have little experience of this position and often play one or two slightly inaccurate moves early on which leave white dominating the centre and whites pieces forming a strong kingside attack.
Originally posted by Dragon FireHow about a little less posting in the forum and a little more moving in our game ðŸ˜
and more complicated means:
i. harder to play; and
ii. better winning chances for white.
Bc4 being simplier gives black better drawing chances and, therefore, tends to be avoided at the higher levels, unless of course as white you are happy with a draw when as it will involve less complications a draw should be simple.
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Originally posted by HomerJSimpsonGame 3458606 started on April 19th, we have already made 8 moves which is faster than necessary and it is your move and has been for at least the last 12 hours.
How about a little less posting in the forum and a little more moving in our game ðŸ˜
Pots and black kettles come to mind.