25 Feb 08
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all active RHP players sum of points / number of them should do the trick 🙂 I do not have time to do the math but 1250-1300 is most likely average RHP rating. With 1600 rating you are in about 10 % or even les if I am not mistaken.
The moral of the story : dear average RHP players, GO AND DO SOME TACTIC WORKOUT ðŸ˜
25 Feb 08
Originally posted by Mike RiceGo to the player tables. You will see that, for example, a player rated 1800 is in (roughly) the top 3% of players on the site (ie ranked somewhere in the 500s out of 19,000 or so. A player rated 2000 would be in the top 0.1% (as I recall from once working this out) of players.
What would be the rating for an average player at RHP?
Therefore a better than average could be estimated.
I know this can be a bit subjective.I am just interested what players at RHP thought about this.
I seem to recall that someone rated 1400 was in the top 35%. A good estimate of the rating you seek would be the point at which there are as many players ranked above as below on this list. Clearly it isn't an average, but it will be similar and informative.
25 Feb 08
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Originally posted by PolicestateIt IS an average; but whether it is satisfactory depends on what is meant by "average": mean, median, or mode.
. . .A good estimate of the rating you seek would be the point at which there are as many players ranked above as below on this list. Clearly it isn't an average, but it will be similar and informative.
Mean average: add up the ratings of every listed player and divide by the number of players. Absurdly impractical for anyone with ordinary user access to the player tables.
Median average: the rating at which half the listed players are higher and half lower. Feasible.
Mode average: the rating -- or rating level within (say) 25 points plus or minus -- which contains more players than any other such rating level. Would take some work but possibly feasible.
26 Feb 08
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Originally posted by EmLasker1600 is not average. 1600 is the rating of a strong tournament player. You may be confused by FICS, which arbitrarily adjusts its ratings formula to *maintain* an average of 1600. Here at RHP new players are assigned a more sensible beginning rating of 1200, but where they go from there is up to them: unlike FICS, RHP does not make ratings increases for winning players vary depending on the current member population average in order to maintain any particular average figure.
1600 is considered average
but on rhp, it is 1250
Here's an informative list, and note that 1600 places one at the start of Class B, which is just one level below the highest category of Amateur Class players:
International/Professional Titles
Grandmaster - (GM)
Awarded by FIDE for three GM norms.
International Master - (IM)
Awarded by FIDE for three IM norms.
FIDE Master - (FM)
Minimum FIDE rating of 2300 after 24 games
National Senior Master - (SM)
USCF Rating 2400+
National Master - (NM)
USCF Rating 2200+
Expert/Candidate Master - (Expert/CM)
USCF Rating 2000+
National US Amateur Classes
National Class A - USCF (1800-1999)
Top Amateur Class
National Class B - USCF (1600-1799)
Strong Tournament Player
National Class C - USCF (1400-1599)
Average Tournament Player
National Class D - USCF (1200-1399)
Strong Social Player
National Class E - USCF (1000-1199)
Social Player
National Class F - USCF (800-999)
Novice Player
National Class G - USCF (600-799)
Beginner II/Scholastic Player
National Class H - USCF (400-599)
Beginner I/Scholastic Player
National Class I - USCF (200-399)
Early beginner/Scholastic Player
National Class J - USCF (100-199)
Minimum Rating Class
Taken from:
http://www.chess.jpkoonce.net/RatingClasses.html
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Mark AdkinsYes agreed, I simply meant my method was not the mean average I would imagine the difference would be small.
It IS an average; but whether it is satisfactory depends on what is meant by "average": mean, median, or mode.
Mean average: add up the ratings of every listed player and divide by the number of players. Absurdly impractical for anyone with ordinary user access to the player tables.
Median average: the rating at which half the listed players are h ...[text shortened]... ns more players than any other such rating level. Would take some work but possibly feasible.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Mike RiceMode? Mean? Median?
What would be the rating for an average player at RHP?
Therefore a better than average could be estimated.
I know this can be a bit subjective.I am just interested what players at RHP thought about this.
The mode and median should be easy enough to determine but if you want to waste your time calculating the mean let me know when you have completed it.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Mark AdkinsI would say that everyone in our club is at least class C in this list.
1600 is not average. 1600 is the rating of a strong tournament player. You may be confused by FICS, which arbitrarily adjusts its ratings formula to *maintain* an average of 1600. Here at RHP new players are assigned a more sensible beginning rating of 1200, but where they go from there is up to them: unlike FICS, RHP does not make ratings increases f ...[text shortened]... 9)
Minimum Rating Class
Taken from:
http://www.chess.jpkoonce.net/RatingClasses.html
I am not sure I have ever met a chess player class D or lower and it seems almost inconceivable that someone could be class G,H,I or J except if they have just learnt the rules.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireYou see a lot of weaker players at junior tournaments. It's taken my son two and half years to get his grade up to 27! (~1400 on this site) and there are many very keen and experienced players weaker than him.
I would say that everyone in our club is at least class C in this list.
I am not sure I have ever met a chess player class D or lower and it seems almost inconceivable that someone could be class G,H,I or J except if they have just learnt the rules.
The team I play for recently played against a team which had someone (an adult) with a grade of 13 on bottom board. The worse thing was that he actually drew with our player, who was rated 110 points higher than him, and that result won the match for them.
It should be pointed out that in the table posted above by Mark Adkins, the FIDE ratings are not directly equivalent to USCF ratings. The consensus seems to be that USCF = FIDE + ~100. For example, a grade A player in the USA might have a FIDE rating of between 1700 and 1900.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Fat LadyDoes anyone know how ACF (Australian Chess Federation) ratings compare to USCF and/or FIDE ratings??
You see a lot of weaker players at junior tournaments. It's taken my son two and half years to get his grade up to 27! (~1400 on this site) and there are many very keen and experienced players weaker than him.
The team I play for recently played against a team which had someone (an adult) with a grade of 13 on bottom board. The worse thing was that he ac ...[text shortened]... 00. For example, a grade A player in the USA might have a FIDE rating of between 1700 and 1900.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Fat LadyFurther, neither USCF nor FIDE have good conversions to RHP ratings either. Ergo, those are meaningless categories.
It should be pointed out that in the table posted above by Mark Adkins, the FIDE ratings are not directly equivalent to USCF ratings. The consensus seems to be that USCF = FIDE + ~100. For example, a grade A player in the USA might have a FIDE rating of between 1700 and 1900.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireI remember chris (probably?) posting at some point that the mean was slightly over 1300. median was about 1280 last time I checked...
Mode? Mean? Median?
The mode and median should be easy enough to determine but if you want to waste your time calculating the mean let me know when you have completed it.